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> Try this site www.deadsea.co.il it will give you all the information abut >the DeadSea
That didn’t help me, either, unfortunately. I’m looking for a breakdown of the components of Dead Sea water, in terms of specific amounts of the different substances, and not as vague "relative" numbers comparing them to ‘normal’ sea water. Oh, and "The water of the Dead Sea contains 21 minerals including magnesium, calcium, bromime and potassium. 12 of these are found in no other sea or ocean…" has got to be false. There’s a little bit of *everything* to be found in all sea water. There’s even uranium floating around in there. – Dave W. http://members.aol.com/psorsite/
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>salt-to-water ratio is pretty high, but how high compared to avg. >seawater?
That’s an excellent question, and one for which I’m still looking for an answer. I’ve got some good info on "normal" sea water (at home) at: http://members.aol.com/psorsite/docs/homeseawater.html But I can’t find a good, unambiguous reference on the Dead Sea. – Dave W. http://members.aol.com/psorsite/
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re: your post to alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis I’m sure many of us would like to hear more. So please do translate. And post in the newsgroup. Suzanne * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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> >salt-to-water ratio is pretty high, but how high compared to avg. >seawater? > That’s an excellent question, and one for which I’m still looking for an > answer. I’ve got some good info on "normal" sea water (at home) at: > http://members.aol.com/psorsite/docs/homeseawater.html > But I can’t find a good, unambiguous reference on the Dead Sea. > – Dave W. > http://members.aol.com/psorsite/
This was in my local newspaper so I don’t know where the information for the article came from…. Dying Dead Sea The Dead Sea is shrinking and one of the worlds rarest ecosystems is seriously threatned,according to a leading environmental organization. Gidon Bromberg, head of the Middle East Chapter of Friends of the Earth, told reporters, "the Dead Sea is the crossroads of biodiversity, particulary of plant life". He said the sea has already shrunk from a length of about 47 miles to 34 miles. Hotels that once sat on the shore are now hundreds of feet inland .Almost one-third of the sea, which is 10 times saltier than any ocean, has been lost to overpumping, mining and development. This years drought and last years scant rainfall have worsened the situation. The end. Jean 
( using Freds’ machine )
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> ratio is pretty high, > but how high compared to avg. seawater?
Scott, Some of us have reported improvement from soaking in a simulated Dead Sea salt solution. On the other hand, I think it would be difficult to accurately duplicate the combination of Dead Sea salt/mineral water and the uniquely filtered UV levels of the sun found there. That’s not to say that part of the formula is better than none, but in nearly every Dead Sea visit report I can recall, the long hours in the sun are mentioned. I know that the extra atmospheric depth lowers the overall level of UV there. I wonder what it does to the balance of UVA, UVB, and UVC in comparison to the "normal" levels at higher elevations. For instance, if the normally quite low UVC component is reduced even more than the UVA, UVB components, is that a factor? Just some thoughts….. Rocky
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>This was in my local newspaper so I don’t know where the information >for the article came from…. >… >…Almost one-third of the sea, which is 10 times saltier than any >ocean…
Yup. That’s the kind of ambiguous number I’m used to seeing. Thanks for posting the article, but here’s the problem: 10 times saltier in what way? For example, a lot (if not all) alcoholic beverages are labeled as being "such-and-such percent alcohol, by volume." You’d get a different percentage for alcohol content if you measured the weight of the alcohol. So, is the Dead Sea 10 times saltier by weight or volume? It does make a difference. Plus, is the salt content different? Ocean water has your everyday table salt, plus smaller amounts of other stuff that are "salts." Are the ratios of one salt to another different in the Dead Sea than they are in average sea water? Dunno. But somebody *must* know. If you happen to run into that person, let him/her know of my distress. :) – Dave W. http://members.aol.com/psorsite/
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You should go to the dead sea it really helps Afz Jop Rockytop heeft geschreven in bericht … – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> ratio is pretty high, > but how high compared to avg. seawater? >Scott, >Some of us have reported improvement from soaking in a simulated Dead Sea >salt solution. On the other hand, I think it would be difficult to >accurately duplicate the combination of Dead Sea salt/mineral water and the >uniquely filtered UV levels of the sun found there. That’s not to say that >part of the formula is better than none, but in nearly every Dead Sea visit >report I can recall, the long hours in the sun are mentioned. I know that >the extra atmospheric depth lowers the overall level of UV there. I wonder >what it does to the balance of UVA, UVB, and UVC in comparison to the >"normal" levels at higher elevations. For instance, if the normally quite >low UVC component is reduced even more than the UVA, UVB components, is that >a factor? >Just some thoughts….. >Rocky
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This will be my 20th year at the Dead Sea. Feel free to write to me and ask whatever you like. Regrds Alison
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Shalom from Israel Try this site www.deadsea.co.il it will give you all the information abut the DeadSea Dani
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->This was in my local newspaper so I don’t know where the information >for the article came from…. >… >…Almost one-third of the sea, which is 10 times saltier than any >ocean… > Yup. That’s the kind of ambiguous number I’m used to seeing. Thanks > for posting the article, but here’s the problem: 10 times saltier in what > way? For example, a lot (if not all) alcoholic beverages are labeled as > being "such-and-such percent alcohol, by volume." You’d get a different > percentage for alcohol content if you measured the weight of the alcohol. > So, is the Dead Sea 10 times saltier by weight or volume? It does make > a difference. Plus, is the salt content different? Ocean water has your > everyday table salt, plus smaller amounts of other stuff that are "salts." > Are the ratios of one salt to another different in the Dead Sea than they > are in average sea water? Dunno. > But somebody *must* know. If you happen to run into that person, let > him/her know of my distress. :) > – Dave W. > http://members.aol.com/psorsite/
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>> ratio is pretty high, > but how high compared to avg. seawater? >Scott,
My pen-doctor (if I may say so, for he lives in Israel and I’m in Moscow) told me there are special chambers (units? I don’t know the proper word) now that imitate the atmosphere of the Dead Sea. I can’t say exactly, but if I’m not mistaken there are lots of useful things in the air inside this chamber, and maybe some insolation, too. I saw an explanation about these chambers on a russian psoriasis conference , if anyone is interested to know, I may try to translate it. BTW, has anyone seen my message about scalp psoriasis? It looks like nobody has 
Am I an invisible man? Please, respond to me. Alla.
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hi! anyone been to the dead sea? i need help. bye.
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I went to the Dead Sea last year. I cleared completely. It’s a lot of hours in the sun and you shouldn’t go unless you plan to stay at least three weeks. The psoriasis stayed away for the summer but I hit a pretty stressful time and it’s back as usual now. I wanted to return to the Dead Sea again this year but I couldn’t get the time off of work. The Dead Sea is VERY theraputicin many aspects and worth it if your psoriasis is bad enough (or arthritis). Please feel free to ask me any questions and I will do my best to answer them.
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ratio is pretty high, but how high compared to avg. seawater? tia, scott —
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I went to the Dead Sea last year. I cleared completely. It’s a lot of hours > in the sun and you shouldn’t go unless you plan to stay at least three weeks. > The psoriasis stayed away for the summer but I hit a pretty stressful time and > it’s back as usual now. I wanted to return to the Dead Sea again this year but > I couldn’t get the time off of work. The Dead Sea is VERY theraputicin many > aspects and worth it if your psoriasis is bad enough (or arthritis). Please > feel free to ask me any questions and I will do my best to answer them.
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It is my understanding that the use of body oil or other increases the effect of the sun’s UV penetration into the surface layer of the skin. It also softens the scaling. Irv—>in Alabama
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> What is YMMV?
Your Mileage May Vary. There’s an entire lexicon of such online abbrs. >I personally use about a pound of plain table salt per bath. > I really don’t get this….salt in the , what bood? or whats that clear stuff > called? Is 3% you said… And the water is ~ 30% Sodium Chloride.. and where > there is P there is no acid/skin barriers.. so there is osmosis? Now, whats > happening here?
There must be many factors involved with even such a simple treatment as soaking in salt water. I thought that there might have been some osmotic effect (higher density solutions migrating to lower through a membrane) until I looked up the details. Besides the actual pressure in our sack of precious bodily fluids, the osmotic pressure is also high due to dissolved proteins. Any speculation as to why salt baths are effective is bound to be wrong in some regard. It’s sufficient to know that they work to some extent, and it’s been verified clinically. Lots of debates here stem from wild and controversial theories. It’s probably best to just let the facts be known, and to share our personal experiences. > Are you Pickling yurself? Is that what you meant… in a previous post?
You can’t really want me to spoil… the pfun. > so what your saying is a nice warm bath > with salt will kill the candida on the skin?
Nope, cuz I dunno. Salt is one of the oldest preservatives, though. The rest of your speculations are entertaining, but I think it underscores why it’s silly to try to create new theoretical explanations here. Or, was that your intent? If so, Bravo! I’ll be more careful from now on. — Ed "is it soup yet?" Anderson
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Steve. signed: >Steve. -g-
Is this a clue? I almost missed it…. Randall.-x-
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I took the plunge, went to the Dead Sea last month with my brother. Does it work? Yes!!!! But not in the way you think. Here I was, in Canada, leading my life….work, family, kid, dog, lawn care, house/car maintenance etc. i would be hard pressed to spend an hour a day treating my p/pa. Then, I am transported to the dead sea ( granted my cost was CAN$8000 for 3 and sun.Here is the regiment he prescribed: 1. Dead sea water for 20 mins ( max 3 times a day ) 2. Apply petroleum jelly. 3. Sun 4. Shower 4. Repeat steps 1-4, 4 times a day until I reach a max of 6 hours a day in the sun. Yes, the scales were reduced, yes, the itching was reduced, yes, I felt human again. I am back home now. Within a week, I am back where I was with the p. The question that begs to be answered…… If if applied petroleum jelly x number of times a day, and went for UVB, would I not have the same net effect? My point Steve…..anything will work, if you can afford the time for it.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello > I’ve read various reports about how wonderful the dead sea is for clearing > p. On my budget, going there isn’t really an option but how about the packs > you can get that claim to have dead sea minerals & nutrients. Has anyone > ever tried these? > What about just plain old dead sea salts from the local body shop, are they > worth a try? > any info appreciated.
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> Hi ED. > I just deja’ed over and checked the thread.. and you were nice.. thanks.. pure > poetry.. i must have found my calling.. and Robin King is a new troubador.. got > goofy for a minute with the subtle subconcious meanings…
For a *minute*?! Heh. Keep up the great poetry. Some of your insight that spills out, I couldn’t begin to put into words. > all that stuff is fun.. did you stop examing x syndrome yet?
Wheee… Slap! Let’s try to contain that spill. — Ed "just hit my thread drift limit" Anderson
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Steve said:> >Please return the script you stole to : c/o Monty Python’s Flying Circus. >Thank you.
I wondered where i found that.. its high up here…. lions, tiger and beers…oh my.. And , i could solve the problem with the spy plane….easy.. go to mexico and buy all the china made fireworks and tell them we don;t want your inferior stuff..and will send it back..and drop it on Hianan..and just send in a cruise missle and blow the plane to smithereens… hey..its all spin isn;t it? What are those ten old geezers going to do with that…we can lie better then those old fools…. heck maybe we can get some pointer..s are you willing to jump in steveM? Randall…free secret spy advice….till d-day
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >ED quoted SteveB: >I really don’t get this….salt in the , what bood? or whats that clear stuff >called? Is 3% you said… And the water is ~ 30% Sodium Chloride.. and where >there is P there is no acid/skin barriers.. so there is osmosis? Now, whats >happening here? Are you Pickling yurself? Is that what you meant… in a >previous post? Now is that Kosher salt? and Sauerkraut or Kimchee? >Should i use some chile peppers to cool the skin? Or can i grind up some >japalenos? ouch… maybe just a little topical…first… wait, i tried all >this sans salt… no.. i did use epsom… boy did i look red…. like a >tomato.. or a ferrari.. big fire truck…. thats it. and i know that the sea >water helps… because when its summer and the water is warm enough like >60-70’s p is on the decline, anyway…. so what your saying is a nice warm bath >with salt will kill the candida on the skin? or thePytiriassis lichenoides? or >does the Kif-1 gene react to the leaky epidermal dike and make new skin? To >stop the disruption to the water/salt balence..first homestaisis to protect >heart muscle? So while the body is in primary mode..survival… the t cells are >thrown off gaurd? And the tnf says ok…i’ll just go back into balence too? Or >a funky bcl-2 gene turned on all the time? Or the Methylated CG pairs are
Randall, Please return the script you stole to : c/o Monty Python’s Flying Circus. Thank you. Steve. -g- Get your FREE web-based e-mail and newsgroup access at: http://MailAndNews.com Create a new mailbox, or access your existing IMAP4 or POP3 mailbox from anywhere with just a web browser.
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Hi ED. I just deja’ed over and checked the thread.. and you were nice.. thanks.. pure poetry.. i must have found my calling.. and Robin King is a new troubador.. got goofy for a minute with the subtle subconcious meanings… all that stuff is fun.. did you stop examing x syndrome yet? Did have some fun with this thread.. oh well … being seeing ya.. around the Dead Sea.. Make mine a Salton Sea.. or Salty Dog.. BTW seen Lots wife lately? hehe Randall – one cascade to many-
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ED quoted SteveB: > I’ve read various reports about how wonderful the dead sea is for clearing > p. On my budget, going there isn’t really an option but how about the >packs > you can get that claim to have dead sea minerals & nutrients. Has anyone >What about just plain old dead sea salts from the local body shop,
ED said:>e major benefit from the >spa therapy comes from the sun exposure
The sun god lives! RA RA ED:>e standard deviation, > 5 lbs per bath would suffice >reach the (35%?) salinity of the Dead Sea. >lain table salt (probably not the iodized kind) is a much cheaper >equivalent. You can also use epsom salts, but the effect will likely be >the same. YMMV.
What is YMMV? ED:>Our bodies are about 3% saline, that’s an isotonic sodium >chloride solution used for cleaning contact lenses. In a fresh salt 3% >bath, >I’ve never seen any research done on the Dead Sea mud, or any claims made >by anyone but mud vendors. I think it’s a recent phenomenon. Anyone who >can sell imported mud at botique prices has really found a golden goose. >(O >r maybe the philosopher’s stone.) O the pstone? >I personally use about a pound of plain table salt per bath.
I really don’t get this….salt in the , what bood? or whats that clear stuff called? Is 3% you said… And the water is ~ 30% Sodium Chloride.. and where there is P there is no acid/skin barriers.. so there is osmosis? Now, whats happening here? Are you Pickling yurself? Is that what you meant… in a previous post? Now is that Kosher salt? and Sauerkraut or Kimchee? Should i use some chile peppers to cool the skin? Or can i grind up some japalenos? ouch… maybe just a little topical…first… wait, i tried all this sans salt… no.. i did use epsom… boy did i look red…. like a tomato.. or a ferrari.. big fire truck…. thats it. and i know that the sea water helps… because when its summer and the water is warm enough like 60-70’s p is on the decline, anyway…. so what your saying is a nice warm bath with salt will kill the candida on the skin? or thePytiriassis lichenoides? or does the Kif-1 gene react to the leaky epidermal dike and make new skin? To stop the disruption to the water/salt balence..first homestaisis to protect heart muscle? So while the body is in primary mode..survival… the t cells are thrown off gaurd? And the tnf says ok…i’ll just go back into balence too? Or a funky bcl-2 gene turned on all the time? Or the Methylated CG pairs are protected and the nonmethylated CG pairs are detected as microbial dna.. and attacked… and salt water some how stops the interactions? The microbial DNA is not protected by the methylated raincoat…. and the salt is doing what? Stopping growth hormone? Lets see, epidermal growth factor binds to a receptor. The receptor transfers phosphate ( my pstone in a previous post..hehe) (from sodiom and gomore ah and sulfur…alchemy, pstone…. brimstone etc ad nauseum) (oh and lite my fire-fame) to other proteins in the cell… triggering a chain reaction.. theory-a defective tyrosine kinase unleashes a nonstop flood of chemical signals.. hence cascading cells.. and of course a defective gene will produce a defective protein… so.. 2000 protein kinases in only one cell or does the salt water bring in something from sea or dead sea water that is in the oceans? Or is there a problem from the other 10,000 types of proteins in the cell? Calling the great Googlist stevem please… Dear Stevem i know there is a bit to ruminate on here…. can you plug in your mysterious X syndrome and make some hypothesis to salt water… maybe its the hydrogen atoms? goofy polarity in the Mag. field… and rife zapper acts on the hydrogen bonds changing protein structures.. After all… SunGod RA.. over 90% pure hydrogen fusing into helium. creating light photons captured by plants to be burned in the carbon dioxide cycle..got a high school bio chem book?
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Guys, As one who lives in the country where the Dead Sea is a fact and not just "stories", I wish to emphasize that Dead Sea’s minerals ARE NOT the cure for P for sure! It’s a good cure for rheumatic disorders! Tanning in the sun of the Dead Sea area (about 392 meters below sea level) gives a good and substantial RELIEF but unfortunately no cure was discovered so far. Take my words as I suffer of P for more than 20 yrs and live about 2.5 hrs away from the Dead Sea area. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’ve read various reports about how wonderful the dead sea is for clearing > p. On my budget, going there isn’t really an option but how about the packs > you can get that claim to have dead sea minerals & nutrients. Has anyone > ever tried these? > What about just plain old dead sea salts from the local body shop, are they > worth a try? > From reading lots of Dead Sea research reports, the major benefit from the > spa therapy comes from the sun exposure. Soaking in the sea there may > also have a slight photosensitizing effect. Studies that added Dead Sea > soaks to the phototherapy showed only minor improvement. > I know of one double blind controlled study of just the balneotherapy, > conducted in Israel. The comparison was between a bath of Dead Sea salts, > and common salt. After three weeks, all the patients improved. The > averaged improvement was 34.8% (+/- 24%) for the DS salt, and 27.5% (+/- > 18.3%) for the plain salt group. Given that the study only used 25 people, > the difference between the groups was insignificant, and the researchers > stated so. From the standard deviation, it looks like a dramatic result in > the DS salt group could have accounted for the difference. > Now consider the cost difference of the imported salts at about $16/lb vs > plain table salt at around 10 cents/lb in 25 lb bags. A 16000% markup! > I don’t know how much salt was used in that study, but one DS product > wholesaler confided to me at a trade show that the optimal concentration > would be that of the Dead Sea, but that 5 lbs per bath would suffice. > By my napkin calculations, it takes about 70 lbs of salt per typical > bathtub to reach the (35%?) salinity of the Dead Sea. > Plain table salt (probably not the iodized kind) is a much cheaper > equivalent. You can also use epsom salts, but the effect will likely be > the same. YMMV. > Our bodies are about 3% saline, that’s an isotonic sodium > chloride solution used for cleaning contact lenses. In a fresh salt 3% > bath, you can comfortably open your eyes under the water. (But try it > before the water gets all mucky.) > I’ve never seen any research done on the Dead Sea mud, or any claims made > by anyone but mud vendors. I think it’s a recent phenomenon. Anyone who > can sell imported mud at botique prices has really found a golden goose. > (Or maybe the philosopher’s stone.) > I personally use about a pound of plain table salt per bath. > — Ed "because hamster licks take longer" Anderson > Cite: http://pinch.com/skinny/medline=9828878 Halevy, Sukenik 1997
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> I’ve read various reports about how wonderful the dead sea is for clearing > p. On my budget, going there isn’t really an option but how about the packs > you can get that claim to have dead sea minerals & nutrients. Has anyone > ever tried these? > What about just plain old dead sea salts from the local body shop, are they > worth a try?
From reading lots of Dead Sea research reports, the major benefit from the spa therapy comes from the sun exposure. Soaking in the sea there may also have a slight photosensitizing effect. Studies that added Dead Sea soaks to the phototherapy showed only minor improvement. I know of one double blind controlled study of just the balneotherapy, conducted in Israel. The comparison was between a bath of Dead Sea salts, and common salt. After three weeks, all the patients improved. The averaged improvement was 34.8% (+/- 24%) for the DS salt, and 27.5% (+/- 18.3%) for the plain salt group. Given that the study only used 25 people, the difference between the groups was insignificant, and the researchers stated so. From the standard deviation, it looks like a dramatic result in the DS salt group could have accounted for the difference. Now consider the cost difference of the imported salts at about $16/lb vs plain table salt at around 10 cents/lb in 25 lb bags. A 16000% markup! I don’t know how much salt was used in that study, but one DS product wholesaler confided to me at a trade show that the optimal concentration would be that of the Dead Sea, but that 5 lbs per bath would suffice. By my napkin calculations, it takes about 70 lbs of salt per typical bathtub to reach the (35%?) salinity of the Dead Sea. Plain table salt (probably not the iodized kind) is a much cheaper equivalent. You can also use epsom salts, but the effect will likely be the same. YMMV. Our bodies are about 3% saline, that’s an isotonic sodium chloride solution used for cleaning contact lenses. In a fresh salt 3% bath, you can comfortably open your eyes under the water. (But try it before the water gets all mucky.) I’ve never seen any research done on the Dead Sea mud, or any claims made by anyone but mud vendors. I think it’s a recent phenomenon. Anyone who can sell imported mud at botique prices has really found a golden goose. (Or maybe the philosopher’s stone.) I personally use about a pound of plain table salt per bath. — Ed "because hamster licks take longer" Anderson Cite: http://pinch.com/skinny/medline=9828878 Halevy, Sukenik 1997
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i would definately say, give it a try.. mix salt in your bath, and see if it helps.i also have dead sea mineral mud from AHAVA.. this might help you, too. and get out in the sun whenever possible. even just bathing in the ocean should be good. we used to go to holland all the time, and i would get sea water in a bottle and wash myself with it daily. and yes, i did see a difference. the only thing thats bad about salt water, it burns. but after you get used to it, the buring stops. i persoanlly had good expereince using salt baths, and the mud. it just makes the skin smooother, even if it doesnt make the p go away. and you might not even have to buy the expensive dead sea salt, but just use regular salt. hope this helped you a lil and good luck tamara
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Hello I’ve read various reports about how wonderful the dead sea is for clearing p. On my budget, going there isn’t really an option but how about the packs you can get that claim to have dead sea minerals & nutrients. Has anyone ever tried these? What about just plain old dead sea salts from the local body shop, are they worth a try? any info appreciated.
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