Vaccination injections for typhoid etc
Question:
> There are problems on both sides. They showed a child severely disabled on > BBC News today whose mother had caught German Measles from someone who had > not been vaccinated.
Yes, but when I looked into it I found the dangers of vaccination far exceed the benefit. Eg measles. We now have 2,000 litigation cases for serious vaccine damage from MMR. For a disease whose death rate had plummeted before vaccination. For a disease that is curable with vitamins that they wont use due to medical politics For a disease that may not be a good idea to suppress in the first place. Rubella http://www.whale.to/vaccines/rubella3.html.html Measles http://www.whale.to/vaccines/measles.html If you just deny any connection to autism you can get away with it with a medical monopoly http://www.whale.to/vaccines/autism.html Which is how they make vaccine out to be safe, just keep saying they are. John
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>You vaccinate. Some folk like to pay Russian Roulette.
Way to go, John! Don’t answer a single question, just repeat the "party line." You’re no better than the people in the drug companies or government you rage against. ( Miralex users: see http://members.aol.com/psorsite/docs/miralexclass.html ) – Dave W. http://members.aol.com/psorsite/
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>You vaccinate. Some folk like to pay Russian Roulette. > Way to go, John! Don’t answer a single question, just > repeat the "party line." You’re no better than the people > in the drug companies or government you rage against.
But you are going to vaccinate. Why do you want to ask me anything? http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html John
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>But you are going to vaccinate. Why do you want to ask me anything?
You missed my point when I said, "If you can point me to a couple of rational, reasonable, and unimpassioned write-ups that make a convincing case, I’ll read those." Do you want to convince me that your view on vaccination is something I should adopt? If so, the heavy-handed conspiracy theories and other scare tactics just won’t cut it. In fact, I think they do your "cause" more damage than they do good. You take me saying I’m going to vaccinate as me saying, "no matter what you say, I’m gonna do it." All the evidence I’ve seen to date says I should, but that doesn’t mean I cannot change my mind. You did. So, you’ve got until shortly after April 11th to convince me. And if you do indeed convince me, then perhaps I’ll spread the word myself. But perhaps you should try via email. The reason I asked if you have psoriasis is because this is a psoriasis support group. You seem to have popped in here because you saw the word "vaccine" in a post or two, but I doubt you looked into the matter at all. The "psoriasis vaccine" being discussed isn’t really, to me at least, a vaccine. You can read what I’ve written about it here: http://members.aol.com/psorsite/docs/pvac.html We’re not talking about something which will be injected into children just months old. We’re talking about something which the FDA and the researchers themselves obviously consider to be a therapeutic drug, no matter what its origins, and most likely will only be used (responsibly) in adults for some time to come. The *name* is what’s mistaken, along with your response to that name. Anyway, even if you’ve got psoriasis, this whole vaccine thread is really off-topic for this newsgroup. I won’t be replying to you about it any more here, but may via email. (Oh, and because I just saw it, "study naturopathy or Natural Hygiene" isn’t really a very helpful answer for the specific problems mentioned. Sort of like saying, "go take an auto shop class" to someone who says "my car broke down.") If you do have psoriasis, welcome to the group! How long have you had it? What treatments are you using to keep it under control, if any? What are your thoughts on the new treatments being researched? Please, join right in. ( Miralex users: see http://members.aol.com/psorsite/docs/miralexclass.html ) – Dave W. http://members.aol.com/psorsite/
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It was my topic and I asked it because I have psoriasis and had a bad reaction once before years ago. I would rather have had actual experiences from people and not theories. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Anyway, even if you’ve got psoriasis, this whole vaccine thread is > really off-topic for this newsgroup. I won’t be replying to you > about it any more here, but may via email.
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> It was my topic and I asked it because I have > psoriasis and had a bad reaction once before > years ago. I would rather have had actual > experiences from people and not theories.
Sure! I understand that. Yes, it was incorrect of me to say "this whole thread." ’Whole’ was the wrong adjective to use. I apologize. Adverse effect reports of vaccinations against typhoid or hepatitis in *general* can be found all over the Web, but it sounded to me like you were more interested in adverse effects with psoriasis in mind (i.e., will such vaccinations make psoriasis flare up). I wish I could have helped you there, but I’ve never heard of it happening on a large scale (pardon the pun). Did you get the answers you wanted or expected from John’s site? If so, that’s great. If not, it’s a pity. Either way, it certainly appears that when John notices the word ‘vaccine’, or hears someone talking about devestating side effects of medications, he’s going to shoot off a post pointing to that Web site full of links and angry quotes, whether he understands what he is replying to or not. It doesn’t seem very helpful to me, since there’s a lot to wade through on that site, and John seems unwilling to condense any of it down into, say, a decent summary. I don’t think he cares one bit about either psoriasis or support, so any more continuation of the thread in this group is very off-topic and mostly a waste of bandwidth. That’s what I should have said. Perhaps another group, say, sci.vaccinations.are.evil, or alt.merck.sucks, would be more appropriate for the content of the latest parts of the thread, if someone wants to continue it. ( Miralex users: see http://members.aol.com/psorsite/docs/miralexclass.html ) – Dave W. http://members.aol.com/psorsite/
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> My upcoming child will be vaccinated. I understand the risks, and > believe the benefits far outweigh them – not just for my own kid, > but for the kids my kid will encounter. If you want to try to > scare me out of it, and it seems like you do, you’ll have to come > up with something better than Belkin, VAERS statistics you don’t > appear to understand completely, or 120-year-old death reports > related to a vaccine that isn’t even used anymore.
VAERS reports are a fine indication of vaccine reactions. If you consider from 2-10% of vaccine reactions are reported then VAERS reports cannot be an over estimation of the figure. You can start here http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html Articles, 20-30 books and so on. When you get to the end of that you will understand the real risks. I vaccinated my first two, but not the last two when I did the research. It isn’t just dangers with me, it includes disease theory from pleomorphism, naturopathy, nutritional medicine & homeopathy. Also the politics, I wouldn’t trust my kids to a business, one that lies as a matter of course, and a monopoly business at that. John
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>you will understand the real risks. I >vaccinated my first two, but not the last two when I did the research.
Just curious. In the USA a child cannot attend school without proper vaccinations. Does the UK not have similar restrictions?
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>VAERS reports are a fine indication of vaccine reactions. If you consider >from 2-10% of vaccine reactions are reported then VAERS reports cannot be an >over estimation of the figure.
As I said, you don’t seem to understand VAERS statistics. You prove it in what you’ve written above. >You can start here http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html Articles, 20-30 books >and so on. >When you get to the end of that you will understand the real risks.
I started, but I can only stand so much extremist rhetoric and simple- minded insulting. If you can point me to a couple of rational, reasonable, and unimpassioned write-ups that make a convincing case, I’ll read those. >I vaccinated my first two, but not the last two when I did the research. It >isn’t just dangers with me, it includes disease theory from pleomorphism,
Never heard of it before. Hmm, my medical dictionary seems to say that pleomorphic cells have the ability to take on different forms. I see a bunch of medical reports about pleomorphism among bacteria and cancers. What does this have to do with vaccines? >naturopathy,
Every naturopath seems to have a unique view of "disease theory." How you could possibly use any one of them in a rational way? >nutritional medicine
From what sources? >& homeopathy.
Homeopathy has been shown over and over to be nothing more than placebo. The "disease theory" involved is blatantly flawed. >Also the politics, I wouldn’t trust my kids to a business, one that lies as >a matter of course, and a monopoly business at that.
What monopoly? Which pharmaceutical company makes 100% of the vaccines available today? Where is the evidence of these lies? ( Miralex users: see http://members.aol.com/psorsite/docs/miralexclass.html ) – Dave W. http://members.aol.com/psorsite/
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>you will understand the real risks. I >vaccinated my first two, but not the last two when I did the research. > Just curious. In the USA a child cannot attend school without proper > vaccinations. > Does the UK not have similar restrictions?
No. You can avoid vaccs in USA with certain religious exemptions. They bribe the docs here about
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