Recent Newsletter from quackery fighter Dr. Barrett
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Jan, I’m quite unhappy but not surprised at your unwillingness to post SCIENTIFIC evidence to support your claims. I guess this issue is just like a matter of fundamentalist religion to you. Quit blaming mercury, the ADA, Dr Barrett, and liver flukes for your problems. Accept responsibilty for your self, your health, and get rid of that spiteful hatred you have for dentists, doctors, and scientists. Perhaps YOUR problems are the ones that respond to the various forms of "talk" therapy. Perhaps if you had SOME insight into your self, certain problems would resolve.
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>Jan, I’m quite unhappy but not surprised at your unwillingness to post >SCIENTIFIC evidence to support your claims.
Right back at ya! I note you provide NONE for the safety of mercury amalgams. I have provided many studies,,,,,,,,,,,, >I guess this issue is just like a matter of fundamentalist religion to you.
The issue is that many people are STILL suffering and not thinking to check the teeth. I happen to know ALL about that suffering and searching. >Quit blaming mercury, the ADA,
That would be stupid as mercury was my problem. The ADA has lied for many years, been caught in a few and are STILL lying. You and they have a lot in common. >, Dr Barrett, and liver flukes for your problems.
I haven’t blamed either. LIE # ????? Andrew. >Accept responsibilty for your self, your health,
OH I DID! I turned to alt. medicine, did my research and found the problem. >and get rid of that spiteful >hatred you have for dentists, doctors, and scientists.
Nothing to get rid of since this is yet ANOTHER LIE. >Perhaps YOUR problems are the ones that respond to the various forms of >"talk" >therapy.
Wrong. My problems have been found, my mercury level is almost normal again. >Perhaps if you had SOME insight into your self, certain problems >would resolve.
They are resolving, and will continue to do so. Chelation of mercuy takes a long time. Please do concentrate on your own problems. Perhaps you will find *why* you delight in trying to deconstruct others. Any doctor will tell you that isn’t normal. Take the doc you choose to see a list of how you talk on this ng. He may have a straight jacket handy. Jan The world cares very little about what a person knows; it is what the person is able to do that counts. Booker T Washington
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according to Bill Ross, he thinks we should all give him our money so that he can continue his quest for righteousness. — DR. ROLAND HICKS Doctor of Chiropractic Certified Chiropractic Sports Practitioner Iligitimi non carborundum
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->As far as I am concerned any thing to do with barrett is spam for the >purpose of selling his twisted point of view and cow dung. > By that "logic," anything to do with you is spam for the purpose of > selling YOUR twisted point of view. > Won’t wash. Quoting Barrett isn’t spam; nobody is trying to make a > buck off it. > — David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net > These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. > "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants > were standing on my shoulders."
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>according to Bill Ross, he thinks we should all give him our money so that >he can continue his quest for righteousness. >– >DR. ROLAND HICKS
Wrong again, Roland. I do believe, however, that Bill would rather see the money that would go to Hulda, Limu, or other dubious methods go to Barrett. Perhaps you fear that doing so would keep some monies out of the hands of Chiropractors…
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>www.quackwatch.com>>
Check it out, its a damn fine website!!!! http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/acu.html Certification of acupuncturists is a sham. While a few of those soaccreditedare naive physicians, most are nonmedical persons who only play atbeing doctorand use this certification as an umbrella for a host of unprovenNew Age hokumtreatments. Unfortunately, a few HMOs, hospitals, and even medicalschools aresuccumbing to the bait and exposing patients to such bogustreatments when theyneed real medical care.The National Council Against HealthFraud has concluded:Acupuncture is an unproven modality of treatment. Itstheory and practice are based on primitive and fanciful concepts of healthanddisease that bear no relationship to present scientific knowledge Researchduring the past 20 years has not demonstrated that acupuncture iseffectiveagainst any disease. Perceived effects of acupuncture are probably due to acombination ofexpectation, suggestion, counter-irritation, conditioning, andotherpsychologic mechanisms. The use of acupuncture should be restricted toappropriate research settings, Insurance companies should not be required bylaw to cover acupuncturetreatment, Licensure of lay acupuncturists should bephased out. Consumers who wish to try acupuncture should discuss theirsituation with aknowledgeable physician who has no commercial interest . Jan The world cares very little about what a person knows; it is what the person is able to do that counts. Booker T Washington
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Check it out, its a damn fine website!!!! > http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/acu.html > Certification of acupuncturists is a sham. While a few of those soaccreditedare > naive physicians, most are nonmedical persons who only play atbeing doctorand > use this certification as an umbrella for a host of unprovenNew Age > hokumtreatments. Unfortunately, a few HMOs, hospitals, and even medicalschools > aresuccumbing to the bait and exposing patients to such bogustreatments when > theyneed real medical care.The National Council Against HealthFraud has > concluded:Acupuncture is an unproven modality of treatment. Itstheory and > practice are based on primitive and fanciful concepts of healthanddisease that > bear no relationship to present scientific knowledge Researchduring the past 20 > years has not demonstrated that acupuncture iseffectiveagainst any disease. > Perceived effects of acupuncture are probably due to acombination > ofexpectation, suggestion, counter-irritation, conditioning, > andotherpsychologic mechanisms. The use of acupuncture should be restricted > toappropriate research settings, Insurance companies should not be required > bylaw to cover acupuncturetreatment, Licensure of lay acupuncturists should > bephased out. Consumers who wish to try acupuncture should discuss > theirsituation with aknowledgeable physician who has no commercial interest . > Jan
I agree that it is a fine website, Jan. Barrett is expressing his opinion, and his opinion is based on an analysis of relevant data. He could be wrong, and he could be right. His vigorous work to point out the flaws in medicine related to fraud and quackery is admirable in my view. Not enough high profile people do this. Perhaps he does get a bit over-the-top in condemning alternative medicine; but then maybe it is justified. You can likely relate to this, as you are "over-the-top" quite often here, as you vigorously criticize and call Barrett names. You also condemn science based medicine as vigorously as Barrett does alternative medicine, if not moreso, and with fewer convincing facts to support your views. Bill Ross
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>As far as I am concerned any thing to do with barrett is spam for the >purpose of selling his twisted point of view and cow dung.
By that "logic," anything to do with you is spam for the purpose of selling YOUR twisted point of view. Won’t wash. Quoting Barrett isn’t spam; nobody is trying to make a buck off it. — David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
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**Won’t wash. Quoting Barrett isn’t spam; nobody is trying to make a **buck off it. ** only a true Quack Flack would presume to speak for "nobody."
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**As far as I am concerned any thing to do with barrett is spam for the **purpose of selling his twisted point of view and cow dung. ** I agree. The Quacks make quite a business out of selling their viewpoint on quackery. As "expert witnesses" (FOFLMAO) … selling their biased courses to universities, their books on their viewpoints of alternative medicine, etc. etc. etc. etc.
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>>Following is good stuff from a man who makes a stand. The >>>>public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven >>>>health claims……cures for baldness, obesity, aging, >>>>impotence, cellulite, wrinkles, fatigue, foggy thinking, >>>>stress, all diseases and many afflictions. Thank goodness >>>>there is someone like Barrett who is willing to take on the >>>>quacks and frauds. If only he had the money to take them on >>>>in a more public way. –Bill Ross >>> The public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven >>>>health claims… >>>And organized medicine and dentistry endores mercury amalgams to be safe >>>WITHOUT any scientific proof. >>Do you consider their LONG history of usage and low incidence of >>complications >>to be inconsequential? >You don’t know that. >Yes, I do.
No, you don’t. >There are many unanswered health problems these days. >As there have been for centuries. As a matter of fact, there were more >unanswered health problems in the past than in the present.
Cite your references. >You see, science >is a cumulative process.
And there is STILL no scientific proof porving that mercury amalgams are safe. > It >is being proven that many of these conditions are coming from metal in the >mouth. >Really? Which ones? Please furnish SCIENTIFIC citations
I just did and you snipped it. http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/index.html Read it ALL. > This record you keep claiming is completely unaware and does not >include >this facts. >What? What? What? >Oh, and this little "turd" is pretty funny.
He is a Ph.D chemist. It is a good example of a poorly >educated person, Jan, being bamboozled by a little technobabble:
Studies and clinical cases. >Additionally electromagnetic fields(EMF) from appliances such as computer >monitors and motors create currents in metal in the mouth that increases >galvanism and exposure to metals such as mercury. >Let’s see the experimental design behind that claim.
Check it out. >There is plenty of evidence of the dangers of trying to >>remove them. >That’s correct, and is why it is important to follow correct protocol >Question: Why is is dangerous to remove them if they are *safe* in the >mouth? >Just where *in mid air* did they become dangerous again? >Because, Jan, they are not removed in the same manner in which they are >installed.
They were DANGEOUS when they were installed. >Consider HOW they are removed, Jan, and it will be crystal clear.
Noted you didn’t answer the question. >>That’s what you need to discourage, the attitude of removing them >>when there is no demostrable danger of leaving them in place. >I do. Many times I have said, if you are having no health problems, leave >well >enough alone, just use composites when the need araises. >When, if ever, does the need arrive?
Duh. When filllings need replaced. >*IF* you have an naswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH. >To keep it simple, we know mercury is highly toxic. Therefore mercury >amalgams >should be banned. >To keep it simple, we know that DiHydrogen Monoxide is toxic,
Off topic. >Mercury amalgams have a long history of being safe and effective in the >overwhelming majority of cases.
You don’t know that. Dentists have no idea what problems they may cause in their patients. Neither do doctors. > In light of these facts, Jan, try to find >something else to obsess upon.
You have presented any facts, and I will continue to warn people of the dangers, in the hopes no one ever suffer as I did. >It’s is the works, we already have partial bans and in the future will have >complete bans. >Where in the US are there partial bans other than during pregnancy?
Asked and answered previously. Hint: start with Maine. I also didn’t say just in the US. It is well known the US is behind other countries,,,,,,,,,,,,for ONE reason,,,,,,,,,*organized medicine and dentistry* Many of these conditions are actually misdiagnosed, and as a result, conventional treatment is not helpful or appropriate. Keep in mind that diseases are complex and multiple factors are most often involved. Therefore, consultation with dentists, physicians, and other health care professionals who are knowledgeable in toxicology, immunology and environmental illness is strongly recommended. Much research is being done worldwide, and it is only a matter of time before this information is accepted as valid. A study conducted by the University of Georgia, Tufts University School of Medicine, and the Calgary Medical School, and published in the April 1993 Journal of Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy, suggests that amalgam fillings can create bacteria that are resistant to antibiotics. On February 18, 1994, Sweden announced a phased-in ban on the use of amalgam. Germany has banned a certain type of amalgam (gamma 2 phase) and issued advisories against the used of amalgam in pregnant women and people with Kidney problems. Denmark has banned amalgams as of 1999. Austria will phase out amalgam totally by 2000. Most major countries other than the U.S. have similar or more extensive bans or health warnings regarding the use of amalgam, including Canada, Great Britain, France, Austria, Norway, Sweden, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, etc. A Swedish National Mercury Amalgam Review Panel found that "from a toxicological point of view, mercury is too toxic to use as a filling material"(164). A Swedish medical panel unanimously recommended to the government "discontinuing the use of amalgam as a dental material"(282). The U.S. EPA found that removed amalgam fillings are hazardous and must be sealed airtight and exposed of as hazardous waste(214). Most European countries require controls on dental waste amalgam emissions to sewers or air. A Canadian Government study for Health Canada concluded that any person with any number of amalgam fillings receives exposure beyond that recommended by the USPHS Standard(209). Many of those researching amalgam related health effects including several very prominent scientists have concluded that the health effects are widespread and serious so that mercury should not be used as a filling material (1,18,19,26,36,38,57,60,61,88,94,99,100,113,125,126,148, 153,164,170,183,208,209,210,222,227,236,237,238,239,282). The use of mercury amalgams has been banned for children and women of child-bearing age or put on a schedule for phase out by several European countries. The use of amalgam is declining in Europe and Germany’s largest producer of amalgam has ceased production, The director of the U.S. Federal program overseeing dental safety advises against using mercury amalgam for new fillings. 3. The use of mercury amalgams has been banned for children and women of child-bearing age or put on a schedule for phase out by 4 European countries. The use of amalgam is declining in Europe and Germany’s largest producer of amalgam has ceased production, *******The director of the U.S. Federal program overseeing dental safety Most governments of developed countries have bans or guidelines restricting use of amalgam by women of child-bearing age. These include Canada, Sweden, Germany, Norway, Austria, Great Britain, France, Austria, Australia, New Zealand, etc. For starters. Jan The world cares very little about what a person knows; it is what the person is able to do that counts. Booker T Washington
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Check it out, its a damn fine website!!!! > http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/acu.html > Certification of acupuncturists is a sham. While a few of those >soaccreditedare > naive physicians, most are nonmedical persons who only play atbeing >doctorand > use this certification as an umbrella for a host of unprovenNew Age > hokumtreatments. Unfortunately, a few HMOs, hospitals, and even >medicalschools > aresuccumbing to the bait and exposing patients to such bogustreatments >when > theyneed real medical care.The National Council Against HealthFraud has > concluded:Acupuncture is an unproven modality of treatment. Itstheory and > practice are based on primitive and fanciful concepts of healthanddisease >that > bear no relationship to present scientific knowledge Researchduring the >past 20 > years has not demonstrated that acupuncture iseffectiveagainst any disease. > Perceived effects of acupuncture are probably due to acombination > ofexpectation, suggestion, counter-irritation, conditioning, > andotherpsychologic mechanisms. The use of acupuncture should be restricted > toappropriate research settings, Insurance companies should not be required > bylaw to cover acupuncturetreatment, Licensure of lay acupuncturists should > bephased out. Consumers who wish to try acupuncture should discuss > theirsituation with aknowledgeable physician who has no commercial interest >. > Jan >I agree that it is a fine website,
Yes we know. I guess that must mean you deny CFS MCS, GWS MP and a host of other REAL health diseases. Including any alternation ,method such as acupuncture, chiropractic to be quackery,,,,,no more research needs done and all these practitioners licenses should be revolked. That way we can have ONE chose *ORGANIZED MEDICINE*. >Barrett is expressing his opinion, and his >opinion is based on an analysis of relevant data.
WRONG! His opinion is based on *organized medicine*,,,,,ye good ole boy club! Many MD"S are diagnosing these dieases he denies, and believe in alternative methods also. >He could be wrong,
No doubt about it! >and he could >be right.
NO he is NOT right. >His vigorous work to point out the flaws in medicine related to fraud >and quackery
His vigorous work is to protect *organized medicine*. He also DOES NOT point out the flaws of conventional medicine. >is admirable in my view.
Yes,,,,,,,,,,,you are brainwashed,,,,,,,,AND have never been in a position to use alt. medicine. >Not enough high profile people do this.
LOL. >Perhaps he does get a bit over-the-top in condemning alternative medicine;
Perhaps? Trying to take away alt. practitioners’ licenses,,,,,,,,,have them thrown in jail,,,,,,,,helping to close down alt. clinics,,,,,suing people to shut them up. Yep,,,,,,,,,*perhaps*. > but then >maybe it is justified.
Taking away peoples’ choices is NOT justified. >You can likely relate to this, as you are "over-the-top" >quite often here
Over the top of what? Warning others and helping those who are still searching for an answered to their health problem? >as you vigorously criticize and call Barrett names.
Yes I criticize him, and I call him a QUACK. >You also >condemn science based medicine
NO I DO NOT! What I condemn is the DENIAL of REAL diseases. >as vigorously as Barrett does alternative medicine,
Get a grip! I am on two newsgroups, doing the above,,,,,,,,,,,,he has over 600 websites and is sue happy, backed by how many drug and chemical companies? There is absolutely NO comparsion. >if not moreso
See above, and take note of you logic. >and with fewer convincing facts to support your views. >Bill Ross
You think so huh? Have you read *ANYTHING* I have posted? http://www.teleport.com/~ctseng/cfs_pages/index2.html http://home.online.no/~reiersol/friberg.htm http://www.alternativemedicine.com/digest/issue20/20700.shtml http://emporium.turnpike.net/P/PDHA/mercury/asr.htm http://www.algonet.se/~leif/FUIAOMT1.txt http://www.amalgam.org/ http://hometown.aol.com/noamalgam/index.html bin/templates/view.cgi?/news/2001/03/27/Consumers/dental_fillings010327 http://www.mercola.com/2001/apr/7/alzheimers_mercury.htm http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2001/may2001_report_mercury_1.html http://www.altcorp.com/amalgampage.htm http://www.zipworld.com.au/~rgammal/AmalgamFrameSet.htm http://www.asomat.com./ http://www.icnr.securesites.com/hhnewsl.html http://www.curezone.com/dental/ http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/amalgam.html http://bcn.net/~stoll/archives/mercury/15063.html http://www.algonet.se/~leif/AmFAQigr.html http://www.web-light.nl/AMALGAM/EN/enmframe.html http://www.holisticdental.org/index.html http://www.iaomt.org/ http://www.cco.net/~trufax/mercury/merc1.html http://www.cco.net/~trufax/reports/merceff.html http://www.thorne.com/townsend/oct/mercury.html http://www.perlhealth.com/chap_8.htm http://www.neuraltherapy.com/hfiles/Mercury%20Detoxification.htm http://www.mercury-free.com/ http://www.yourhealthbase.com/amalgams.html http://www.cfsn.com/ADArebut.html http://www.toxicteeth.net/ http://www.talkinternational.com/legal_registry.htm http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amatalbo.htm http://www.holisticmed.com/dental/amalgam/child.html http://www.talkinternational.com/adaletters.htm http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/als.html http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/index.html http://www.toothwisdom.net http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm http://www.cfs-recovery.org/mercury.htm http://www.holisticmed.com/dental/root.html http://www.bioprobe.com/biocalex/article.asp?article_id=14 http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html Jan The world cares very little about what a person knows; it is what the person is able to do that counts. Booker T Washington
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>**Won’t wash. Quoting Barrett isn’t spam; nobody is trying to make a >**buck off it. >** >only a true Quack Flack would presume to speak for "nobody."
Only a true loon would write a bizarre response like yours. — David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they’re almost always correct. "If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants were standing on my shoulders."
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> according to Bill Ross, he thinks we should all give him our money so that > he can continue his quest for righteousness. > — > DR. ROLAND HICKS > Doctor of Chiropractic
I don’t know how you reached this conclusion about me, Roland. Makes me wonder about your ability to draw correct conclusions, and your integrity. Speak clearly and honestly please, and support you views. The above about me is a cheap and childish shot, and does not advance your credibility. –Bill Ross
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> How can anyone who claims to be protecting the public, leave out the biggest > killers of all?
First of all, what you call the biggest killers of all, are not what most consider the biggest killers at all, including me. You are starting with an erroneous premise. Secondly, continually harping about Barrett’s not towing your party line does not negate the good that he does. There are all sorts of people working to protect the public who are not focussing on medical mistakes, or whatever it is you claim are "the biggest killers of all." Barrett specializes in fraud and quackery. Will you ever accept that, or the concept of specialization in our society? Is your minister, private physician, state attorney general and local police force working to stop "the biggest killers of all?" Maybe George W. Bush should be fighting for you on that issue also. Why don’t you call him and chew him out for fighting this war on terrorism, when there are so many needless deaths here at home? –Bill Ross
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>>Following is good stuff from a man who makes a stand. The >>>public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven >>>health claims……cures for baldness, obesity, aging, >>>impotence, cellulite, wrinkles, fatigue, foggy thinking, >>>stress, all diseases and many afflictions. Thank goodness >>>there is someone like Barrett who is willing to take on the >>>quacks and frauds. If only he had the money to take them on >>>in a more public way. –Bill Ross >> The public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven >>>health claims… >>And organized medicine and dentistry endores mercury amalgams to be safe >>WITHOUT any scientific proof. >Do you consider their LONG history of usage and low incidence of >complications >to be inconsequential? >You don’t know that.
Yes, I do. >There are many unanswered health problems these days.
As there have been for centuries. As a matter of fact, there were more unanswered health problems in the past than in the present. You see, science is a cumulative process. > It >is being proven that many of these conditions are coming from metal in the >mouth.
Really? Which ones? Please furnish SCIENTIFIC citations > This record you keep claiming is completely unaware and does not >include >this facts.
What? What? What? Oh, and this little "turd" is pretty funny. It is a good example of a poorly educated person, Jan, being bamboozled by a little technobabble: >Additionally electromagnetic fields(EMF) from appliances such as computer >monitors and motors create currents in metal in the mouth that increases >galvanism and exposure to metals such as mercury.
Let’s see the experimental design behind that claim. >There is plenty of evidence of the dangers of trying to >remove them. >That’s correct, and is why it is important to follow correct protocol. >Question: Why is is dangerous to remove them if they are *safe* in the mouth? >Just where *in mid air* did they become dangerous again?
Because, Jan, they are not removed in the same manner in which they are installed. Consider HOW they are removed, Jan, and it will be crystal clear. >That’s what you need to discourage, the attitude of removing them >when there is no demostrable danger of leaving them in place. >I do. Many times I have said, if you are having no health problems, leave >well >enough alone, just use composites when the need araises.
When, if ever, does the need arrive? >*IF* you have an naswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH. >To keep it simple, we know mercury is highly toxic. Therefore mercury >amalgams >should be banned.
To keep it simple, we know that DiHydrogen Monoxide is toxic, provides a breeding ground for nasty insects, parasites, and can harbor FLUORIDE. As a matter of fact, if you get as little as a quart of it in your lungs, you could drown. In monsoon season, it might wash out your crops and your entire village. Let’s ban it too as it is a major hazard. Mercury amalgams have a long history of being safe and effective in the overwhelming majority of cases. In light of these facts, Jan, try to find something else to obsess upon. >It’s is the works, we already have partial bans and in the future will have >complete bans.
Where in the US are there partial bans other than during pregnancy?
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven > >health claims… > And organized medicine and dentistry endores mercury amalgams to be safe > WITHOUT any scientific proof. >Mercury amalgams are not an "unproven health claim."
Even worse they are an unproven practice. Nevertheless, I think >there >is ample scientific proof to indicate they are safe in the vast majority of >people.
Please do post the scientific proof. >Maybe they are safe in everyone….I don’t know. It’s a complex issue on >a substance in dentistry that has been around a long time. Some aggressive >marketer did not recently start selling MA for teeth.
Recently? What does that have to do with anything? MA have been aggressively placed in people’s mouths for years,,,,,,,,,,WITHOUT any scientific proof, that they are safe. > >>The National Council Against Health Fraud is a nonprofit, tax-exempt > voluntary health agency that focuses its attention upon health fraud, > misinformation, and quackery as public health problems. > And promotes the biggest quackery and misinformation of all, denying real > health problems and labels them as non existent or fad diseases. The list >is > long, here are a few CFS MCS, GWS, MP from, mercury poisoning. It’s goal is to > stop all alternative medicine, take away peoples rights, and protect >*organized > medicine* The info. on the sebsites is mostly *opinions* The biggest public > health problem is the 100,00 needless deaths and mistakes,,,,,,,,,,,but you > will find NO mention of that. >I think you’re wrong about the "mostly *opinions*" statement, Jan.
Of course you do. However even doctors disagree with him. They diagnose health condtitons which he claims are non existent. His denial is his *opinion*. >Also, its goal >is to fight health fraud and quackery, as I understand it. >As for what you call >the "100,000 needless death and mistakes,,,,,,,," we have been over that >before, >and we disagree. >Bill Ross
Yes you blindly dismiss the needless death and mistakes. These figures have been printed in medicial journals IIRC. How can anyone who claims to be protecting the public, leave out the biggest killers of all? Jan The world cares very little about what a person knows; it is what the person is able to do that counts. Booker T Washington
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Following is good stuff from a man who makes a stand. The >>public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven >>health claims……cures for baldness, obesity, aging, >>impotence, cellulite, wrinkles, fatigue, foggy thinking, >>stress, all diseases and many afflictions. Thank goodness >>there is someone like Barrett who is willing to take on the >>quacks and frauds. If only he had the money to take them on >>in a more public way. –Bill Ross > The public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven >>health claims… >And organized medicine and dentistry endores mercury amalgams to be safe >WITHOUT any scientific proof. >Do you consider their LONG history of usage and low incidence of >complications >to be inconsequential?
You don’t know that. There are many unanswered health problems these days. It is being proven that many of these conditions are coming from metal in the mouth. This record you keep claiming is completely unaware and does not include this facts. >There is no scientific evidence that they are NOT highly safe and effective >when properly set.
Yes there is: http://www.home.earthlink.net/~berniew1/index.html There are over 1000 medical studies or government Agency studies that document. 1. Dental Amalgam Fillings are the number one source of mercury in most people. 2. Most people with several fillings get significant daily exposures to mercury that exceed Government Health Guidelines for Mercury Exposure. 3. The main reasons for common high exposures of mercury and other toxic metals from amalgam are mercury’s negative vapor pressure which means that it is constantly vaporizing plus the galvanic currents(battery effect) created in the mouth by mixed metals that pumps mercury into the gums, jawbone, oral mucosa, and systemically is carried throughout the body by the blood and nerves. Additionally electromagnetic fields(EMF) from appliances such as computer monitors and motors create currents in metal in the mouth that increases galvanism and exposure to metals such as mercury. 4. Mercury is extremely toxic and the most toxic substance with common significant exposures. No safe level where there are not measurable adverse effects has ever been documented. 5. Mercury vapor or organic mercury readily crosses the blood-brain barrier and the placenta to a fetus, and accumulates to significant levels in the brain, CNS, motor neurons, hormone glands, and major organs such as the heart, kidneys, and liver in direct proportion to the number of amalgam filling surfaces. Mercury is documented to be extremely cytotoxic(kills cells), neurotoxic, and immunotoxic, as well as inducing immune reactivity in large numbers of people. 6. Mercury and other toxic, immune reactive, and carcinogenic metals like nickel form strong bonds with the hydroxyl radical(SH) in amino acids which are the body’s main building blocks and cellular level fuel, disrupting the basic metabolic processes such as the conversion of cysteine to sulfates, taurine, and glutathione. The incomplete conversion of such amino acids results in toxic metabolites such as beta-casamorphine and sulfites as well as immune and autoimmune conditions. Mercury also accumulates in the brain and CNS and damages nerve cells involved in Parkinson’s and ALS through free radical formation and oxidative damage. Some of the autoimmune condtions documented to be commonly caused by mercury(and other toxic metals) include oral lichen planus, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome(CFS), Fibromyalgia(FM), MS, Lupus, Lou Gehrig’s Disease(ALS), Parkinson’s, diabetes, etc. 7. Thousands of medical studies on humans and animals have confirmed the mechanisms by which mercury(and other toxic metals) cause over 40 serious or chronic health conditions including neurological, hormonal, reproductive, immune, autoimmune, cardiovascular, & birth defects and developmental effects on infants. 8. There are many thousands of clinical cases of cure or significant improvement in these conditions after proper amalgam replacement and treatment, as followed and documented by doctors. Some of the conditions that mercury has been documented to cause and which people have been documented to recover from after proper amalgam replacement or treatment include: periodontal disease, oral keratosis(pre cancer)), immune system/ autoimmune problems , allergies, asthma, lupus, sinus problems, chronic headaches/ migraines, multiple chemical sensitivities, epilepsy, blood conditions, chron’s disease, stomach problems, dizzyness/vertigo, arthritis, Multiple Sclerosis (MS), Lou Gehrig’s Disease(ALS), Parkinson’s/ muscle tremor, Alzheimer’s, muscular/joint pain/fibromyalgia , infertility, depression , autism, schizophrenia, ADD, insomnia, anger, anxiety & mental confusion , susceptibility to infections , antibiotic resistant infection, endometriosis , Chronic Fatigue Syndrome(CFS) , tachycardia and heart problems , memory disorders , cancer(breast,etc./ leukemia, neuropathy/paresthesia, alopecia/hair loss , tinnitus, chronic eye conditions: inflamation/iritis/ astigmatism/myopia /cataracts/macula degeneration , vision disturbances, eczema, psoriasis, skin conditions , urinary/prostrate problems, hearing loss, candida, PMS, diabetes, etc. The majority of those treated for most of these condtions showed significant improvement for most of these conditions. 60,000 clinical cases of significant improvements to chronic conditions after amalgam replacement and treatment- as followed and documented by doctors; plus environmental effects of amalgam that affect everyone. (over 1500 peer-reviewed medical study or Gov’t Agency references documenting mechanisms by which mercury from amalgam causes over 30 chronic health conditions) . DEVELOPMENTAL, COGNITIVE, AND BEHAVIORAL EFFECTS of Mercury and Toxic Metals on Kids. Documentation that high toxic prenatal and postnatal exposures to toxic metals are common, causing millions of neurological and immune developmental conditions and birth defects- including autism, ADD, schizophrenia, dyslexia, learning disabilities, depression, anxiety, juvenile delinquency, violent and criminal behavior, asthma, eczema, and allergies, plus information on sources of exposure, tests, treatments, and Clinics having success treating such conditions. >There is plenty of evidence of the dangers of trying to >remove them.
That’s correct, and is why it is important to follow correct protocol. Question: Why is is dangerous to remove them if they are *safe* in the mouth? Just where *in mid air* did they become dangerous again? >That’s what you need to discourage, the attitude of removing them >when there is no demostrable danger of leaving them in place.
I do. Many times I have said, if you are having no health problems, leave well enough alone, just use composites when the need araises. *IF* you have an naswered health problem,,,,,,,,CHECK THE TEETH. To keep it simple, we know mercury is highly toxic. Therefore mercury amalgams should be banned. It’s is the works, we already have partial bans and in the future will have complete bans. Jan The world cares very little about what a person knows; it is what the person is able to do that counts. Booker T Washington
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>Following is good stuff from a man who makes a stand. The >public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven >health claims……cures for baldness, obesity, aging, >impotence, cellulite, wrinkles, fatigue, foggy thinking, >stress, all diseases and many afflictions. Thank goodness >there is someone like Barrett who is willing to take on the >quacks and frauds. If only he had the money to take them on >in a more public way. –Bill Ross
The public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven >health claims…
And organized medicine and dentistry endores mercury amalgams to be safe WITHOUT any scientific proof. >The National Council Against Health Fraud is a nonprofit, tax-exempt
voluntary health agency that focuses its attention upon health fraud, misinformation, and quackery as public health problems. And promotes the biggest quackery and misinformation of all, denying real health problems and labels them as non existent or fad diseases. The list is long, here are a few CFS MCS, GWS, MP from, mercury poisoning. It’s goal is to stop all alternative medicine, take away peoples rights, and protect *organized medicine* The info. on the sebsites is mostly *opinions* The biggest public health problem is the 100,00 needless deaths and mistakes,,,,,,,,,,,but you will find NO mention of that. >The Council originated in 1977 as the Southern California Council Against
Health Fraud, Inc. and became the California Council Against Health Fraud in 1978. The council became national in 1984. It is now incorporated in California and has members in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, and several foreign countries. Nearly all of our funding comes from membership dues and individual contributions. Uh huh and these individual contributions come from whom? Drug companies? Chemical companies? <snip> >The scientific process is essential for discovering truths and validating
health claims and information But there is NO scientific proof of the safety of mercury amalgams in the mouth and is endorsed by NCAHF. Therfore they have double standards. Soliciting donations. > Hi, please make a small donation to NCAHF
Stephen Barrett is protecting *organized medicine,,,,,,,,,,NOT the general piblic. For the real story of the NCAHF amd the dirty deeds of *organized medicine* read Racketering in Medicine. The man takes a stand,,,,,,,,,,and is sue happy and eager to throw any and all alt. practitioners in jail. Bill Ross is brainwashed and knows very little about alternative medicine. Barrett’s Parrot. Jan The world cares very little about what a person knows; it is what the person is able to do that counts. Booker T Washington
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As far as I am concerned any thing to do with barrett is spam for the purpose of selling his twisted point of view and cow dung. — DR. ROLAND HICKS Doctor of Chiropractic Certified Chiropractic Sports Practitioner Iligitimi non carborundum
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Following is good stuff from a man who makes a stand. The > public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven > health claims……cures for baldness, obesity, aging, > impotence, cellulite, wrinkles, fatigue, foggy thinking, > stress, all diseases and many afflictions. Thank goodness > there is someone like Barrett who is willing to take on the > quacks and frauds. If only he had the money to take them on > in a more public way. –Bill Ross > Consumer Health Digest #01-48 > Your Weekly Update of News and Reviews > November 26, 2001 > Current # of subscribers: 3,980 > Vitamin cartels heavily fined. The European Commission has > fined eight companies a total of > 855.22 million euros (about US$755 million) for > participating in secret market-sharing and > price-fixing cartels affecting vitamin products between > September 1989 and February 1999. The > Commission’s investigation, which began in May 1999, found > that 13 companies participated in eight > cartels aimed at eliminating competition in the markets for > vitamin A, E, B1, B2, B5, B6, C, D3, > biotin, folic acid, beta carotene, and carotenoids. > Hoffmann-La Roche and BASF, the two main > vitamin producers, participated in virtually every cartel, > whereas the rest were involved with fewer > products. According to the Commission: > "The prime mover and main beneficiary of these schemes was > Hoffmann-La Roche, the largest > vitamin producer in the world, with some 50% of the overall > market. The cartel arrangements > covered its full range of vitamin products. The involvement > of some of its most senior executives > tends to confirm that the arrangements were part of a > strategic plan conceived at the highest levels to > control the world market in vitamins by illegal means." > [European Commission imposes fines on > vitamin cartels. News release, Nov 21, 2001]" > Commenting on the case, Competition Commissioner Mario Monti > stated: "The companies’ collusive > behavior enabled them to charge higher prices than if the > full forces of competition had been at play, > damaging consumers and allowing the companies to pocket > illicit profits. It is particularly > unacceptable that this illegal behavior concerned substances > which are vital elements for nutrition and > essential for normal growth and maintenance of life." The > fines were imposed as follows: > *F. Hoffmann-La Roche AG (Switzerland): 462 million euros > *BASF AG (Germany): 296.16 million euros > *Takeda Chemical Industries Ltd (Japan): 37.05 million euros > *Aventis SA (France): 5.04 million euros > *Solvay Pharmaceuticals BV (Netherlands): 9.10 million euros > *Merck KgaA (Germany): 9.24 million euros > *Daiichi Pharmaceutical Co Ltd (Japan): 23.4 million euros > *Eisai Co Ltd (Japan): 13.23 million euros > The five remaining companies — Lonza AG (Germany), Kongo > Chemical Co Ltd (Japan), Sumitomo > Chemical Co Ltd (Japan), Sumika Fine Chemicals Ltd (Japan) > and Tanabe Saiyaku Co Ltd (Japan) > — were not fined because the cartels in which they were > involved ended five years or more before > the Commission opened its investigation. The cartels related > to B1 and B6 escaped for the same > reason. In 1999, three of the companies pleaded guilty in > the United States to similar anticompetitive > conduct and paid heavy fines (US$500 million for Hoffmann-La > Roche, US$225 million for BASF, > and US$72 million for Takeda). > ### > Philip Morris to change name. Philip Morris, which owns one > of the world’s most recognizable > corporate names, has announced plans to change its name to > Altria Group next year if its > stockholders approve. [Schwartz S. Philip Morris to change > name to Altria. New York Times, Nov > 16, 2001] The apparent purpose is to suggest to consumers > (and investors) that the company, which > owns Kraft Foods and Miller Brewing, has become a good > corporate citizen and is not just a > cigarette-maker whose best-known product is a leading cause > of preventable death and disease. > Press reports note that "Altria" is drawn from the Latin > word "altus," meaning "high" and is supposed > to suggest high performance. Noting this monumental event, > SatireWire has announced that lung > cancer will change its name to Phillip Morris to gain > greater exposure. [Philip Morris to change name > to Altria; Lung cancer to change name to Philip Morris: > Rebranded disease gains universal negative > brand imagery. SatireWire Web site, Nov 20, 2001] > http://www.satirewire.com/news/0111/altria.shtml > ### > FDA warns against Lipokinetix. The U.S. Food and Drug > Administraiton has warned consumers > not to use Lipokinetix, marketed a "dietary supplement" by > Syntrax Innovations, Inc., of Cape > Girardeau, Missouri, because the agency has received at > least six reports of users who developed > liver injury or liver failure. [FDA Warns Consumers Not to > Use the Dietary Supplement Lipokinetix. > FDA Talk Paper T01-59, Nov 20, 2001] > http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/2001/ANS01120.html The > product has been claimed to > produce weight loss by "mimicking exercise" and supporting > "an increased metabolic rate." Its > ingredients include norephedrine (also known as > phenylpropanolamine or PPA), caffeine, yohimbine, > diiodothyronine, and sodium usniate. The reported problems > occurred in persons between 20 and > 32 years of age between 2 weeks and 3 months of Lipokinetix > use. The FDA also advised > physicians to review their cases of hepatitis to determine > whether any are related to use of the > product. Sale of the product appears to have stopped. > ### > FDA Web site highly rated. A study released by Brown > University’s Taubman Center for Public > Policy has rated the FDA’s Web site (http://www.fda.gov) > best among the the 59 federal sites it > examined. The project evaluated whether needed information > was available on sites and if average > citizens could easily find this information. Sites were > graded on factors such as presence of contact > information, availability of online publications, online > services provided, and whether the sites > included "one-stop shopping" portal pages with links to > government services. [West DM. State and > Federal E-Government in the United States, Sept. 2001] > http://www.insidepolitics.org/egovt01us.html > ### > Antiquackery book bargain. In "Lying for Fun and Profit," > Kurt Butler reveals how talk shows and > other media outlets promote quackery without the slightest > concern about whether or not they harm > their audience. He also describes his many efforts to > counter the problem. The book originally > marketed for $19.95, is now available from Quackwatch (P.O. > Box 1747, Allentown, PA 18105) > for $6 plus $3 for postage and handling. > ### > Consumer Health Digest is a free weekly e-mail newsletter > edited by Stephen Barrett, M.D., and > cosponsored by NCAHF and Quackwatch. It summarizes > scientific reports; legislative > developments; enforcement actions; news reports; Web site > evaluations; recommended and > nonrecommended books; and other information relevant to > consumer protection and consumer > decision-making. Other issues of the Digest are archived at > http://www.ncahf.org/digest/index.html. > For information about the National Council Against Health > Fraud, see > http://www.ncahf.org/about/mission.html. If you enjoy the > newsletter, please recommend it to your > friends. > — > - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - > Stephen Barrett, M.D. > Board Chairman, Quackwatch, Inc. > NCAHF Vice President and Director of Internet Operations > P.O. Box 1747, Allentown, PA 18105 > Telephone: (610) 437-1795
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Just remember he is only a man and not omniscient nor infallable. I seem to recall he was testifying in a case in California where under cross examination his story did not hold water. Might have to find that… — Regards, Bill McArthur
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Following is good stuff from a man who makes a stand. The > public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven > health claims……cures for baldness, obesity, aging, > impotence, cellulite, wrinkles, fatigue, foggy thinking, > stress, all diseases and many afflictions. Thank goodness > there is someone like Barrett who is willing to take on the > quacks and frauds. If only he had the money to take them on > in a more public way. –Bill Ross > Consumer Health Digest #01-48 > Your Weekly Update of News and Reviews > November 26, 2001 > Current # of subscribers: 3,980 > Vitamin cartels heavily fined. The European Commission has > fined eight companies a total of > 855.22 million euros (about US$755 million) for > participating in secret market-sharing and > price-fixing cartels affecting vitamin products between > September 1989 and February 1999. The > Commission’s investigation, which began in May 1999, found > that 13 companies participated in eight > cartels aimed at eliminating competition in the markets for > vitamin A, E, B1, B2, B5, B6, C, D3, > biotin, folic acid, beta carotene, and carotenoids. > Hoffmann-La Roche and BASF, the two main > vitamin producers, participated in virtually every cartel, > whereas the rest were involved with fewer > products. According to the Commission: > "The prime mover and main beneficiary of these schemes was > Hoffmann-La Roche, the largest > vitamin producer in the world, with some 50% of the overall > market. The cartel arrangements > covered its full range of vitamin products. The involvement > of some of its most senior executives > tends to confirm that the arrangements were part of a > strategic plan conceived at the highest levels to > control the world market in vitamins by illegal means." > [European Commission imposes fines on > vitamin cartels. News release, Nov 21, 2001]" > Commenting on the case, Competition Commissioner Mario Monti > stated: "The companies’ collusive > behavior enabled them to charge higher prices than if the > full forces of competition had been at play, > damaging consumers and allowing the companies to pocket > illicit profits. It is particularly > unacceptable that this illegal behavior concerned substances > which are vital elements for nutrition and > essential for normal growth and maintenance of life." The > fines were imposed as follows: > *F. Hoffmann-La Roche AG (Switzerland): 462 million euros > *BASF AG (Germany): 296.16 million euros > *Takeda Chemical Industries Ltd (Japan): 37.05 million euros > *Aventis SA (France): 5.04 million euros > *Solvay Pharmaceuticals BV (Netherlands): 9.10 million euros > *Merck KgaA (Germany): 9.24 million euros > *Daiichi Pharmaceutical Co Ltd (Japan): 23.4 million euros > *Eisai Co Ltd (Japan): 13.23 million euros > The five remaining companies — Lonza AG (Germany), Kongo > Chemical Co Ltd (Japan), Sumitomo > Chemical Co Ltd (Japan), Sumika Fine Chemicals Ltd (Japan) > and Tanabe Saiyaku Co Ltd (Japan) > — were not fined because the cartels in which they were > involved ended five years or more before > the Commission opened its investigation. The cartels related > to B1 and B6 escaped for the same > reason. In 1999, three of the companies pleaded guilty in > the United States to similar anticompetitive > conduct and paid heavy fines (US$500 million for Hoffmann-La > Roche, US$225 million for BASF, > and US$72 million for Takeda). > ### > Philip Morris to change name. Philip Morris, which owns one > of the world’s most recognizable > corporate names, has announced plans to change its name to > Altria Group next year if its > stockholders approve. [Schwartz S. Philip Morris to change > name to Altria. New York Times, Nov > 16, 2001] The apparent purpose is to suggest to consumers > (and investors) that the company, which > owns Kraft Foods and Miller Brewing, has become a good > corporate citizen and is not just a > cigarette-maker whose best-known product is a leading cause > of preventable death and disease. > Press reports note that "Altria" is drawn from the Latin > word "altus," meaning "high" and is supposed > to suggest high performance. Noting this monumental event, > SatireWire has announced that lung > cancer will change its name to Phillip Morris to gain > greater exposure. [Philip Morris to change name > to Altria; Lung cancer to change name to Philip Morris: > Rebranded disease gains universal negative > brand imagery. SatireWire Web site, Nov 20, 2001] > http://www.satirewire.com/news/0111/altria.shtml > ### > FDA warns against Lipokinetix. The U.S. Food and Drug > Administraiton has warned consumers > not to use Lipokinetix, marketed a "dietary supplement" by > Syntrax Innovations, Inc., of Cape > Girardeau, Missouri, because the agency has received at > least six reports of users who developed > liver injury or liver failure. [FDA Warns Consumers Not to > Use the Dietary Supplement Lipokinetix. > FDA Talk Paper T01-59, Nov 20, 2001] > http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/2001/ANS01120.html The > product has been claimed to > produce weight loss by "mimicking exercise" and supporting > "an increased metabolic rate." Its > ingredients include norephedrine (also known as > phenylpropanolamine or PPA), caffeine, yohimbine, > diiodothyronine, and sodium usniate. The reported problems > occurred in persons between 20 and > 32 years of age between 2 weeks and 3 months of Lipokinetix > use. The FDA also advised > physicians to review their cases of hepatitis to determine > whether any are related to use of the > product. Sale of the product appears to have stopped. > ### > FDA Web site highly rated. A study released by Brown > University’s Taubman Center for Public > Policy has rated the FDA’s Web site (http://www.fda.gov) > best among the the 59 federal sites it > examined. The project evaluated whether needed information > was available on sites and if average > citizens could easily find this information. Sites were > graded on factors such as presence of contact > information, availability of online publications, online > services provided, and whether the sites > included "one-stop shopping" portal pages with links to > government services. [West DM. State and > Federal E-Government in the United States, Sept. 2001] > http://www.insidepolitics.org/egovt01us.html > ### > Antiquackery book bargain. In "Lying for Fun and Profit," > Kurt Butler reveals how talk shows and > other media outlets promote quackery without the slightest > concern about whether or not they harm > their audience. He also describes his many efforts to > counter the problem. The book originally > marketed for $19.95, is now available from Quackwatch (P.O. > Box 1747, Allentown, PA 18105) > for $6 plus $3 for postage and handling. > ### > Consumer Health Digest is a free weekly e-mail newsletter > edited by Stephen Barrett, M.D., and > cosponsored by NCAHF and Quackwatch. It summarizes > scientific reports; legislative > developments; enforcement actions; news reports; Web site > evaluations; recommended and > nonrecommended books; and other information relevant to > consumer protection and consumer > decision-making. Other issues of the Digest are archived at > http://www.ncahf.org/digest/index.html. > For information about the National Council Against Health > Fraud, see > http://www.ncahf.org/about/mission.html. If you enjoy the > newsletter, please recommend it to your > friends. > — > - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - > Stephen Barrett, M.D. > Board Chairman, Quackwatch, Inc. > NCAHF Vice President and Director of Internet Operations > P.O. Box 1747, Allentown, PA 18105 > Telephone: (610) 437-1795
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What is wrong with recognising that people with vague chronic illnesses may have them because of mercury amalgams. When the amalgams are removed and the symptoms disappear, surely that is sufficient. I had a lady in my church who suffered vague illness and alergies for years, until the fillings were replaced. She immediatley recovered from all the other maladies – every one. That doesn’t say all fillings are bad, but it should be recognised there is a serious risk. It seems to me that there is too much posturing in this argument, when it is easily demonstrated that some people do have problems. David
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>Following is good stuff from a man who makes a stand. The >>public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven >>health claims……cures for baldness, obesity, aging, >>impotence, cellulite, wrinkles, fatigue, foggy thinking, >>stress, all diseases and many afflictions. Thank goodness >>there is someone like Barrett who is willing to take on the >>quacks and frauds. If only he had the money to take them on >>in a more public way. –Bill Ross > The public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven >>health claims… >And organized medicine and dentistry endores mercury amalgams to be safe >WITHOUT any scientific proof. > Do you consider their LONG history of usage and low incidence of complications > to be inconsequential? Just what percentage of people have ANY problem with > their amalgams? > There is no scientific evidence that they are NOT highly safe and effective > when properly set. There is plenty of evidence of the dangers of trying to > remove them. That’s what you need to discourage, the attitude of removing them > when there is no demostrable danger of leaving them in place.
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> The public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven >health claims… > And organized medicine and dentistry endores mercury amalgams to be safe > WITHOUT any scientific proof.
Mercury amalgams are not an "unproven health claim." Nevertheless, I think there is ample scientific proof to indicate they are safe in the vast majority of people. Maybe they are safe in everyone….I don’t know. It’s a complex issue on a substance in dentistry that has been around a long time. Some aggressive marketer did not recently start selling MA for teeth. >>The National Council Against Health Fraud is a nonprofit, tax-exempt > voluntary health agency that focuses its attention upon health fraud, > misinformation, and quackery as public health problems. > And promotes the biggest quackery and misinformation of all, denying real > health problems and labels them as non existent or fad diseases. The list is > long, here are a few CFS MCS, GWS, MP from, mercury poisoning. It’s goal is to > stop all alternative medicine, take away peoples rights, and protect *organized > medicine* The info. on the sebsites is mostly *opinions* The biggest public > health problem is the 100,00 needless deaths and mistakes,,,,,,,,,,,but you > will find NO mention of that.
I think you’re wrong about the "mostly *opinions*" statement, Jan. Also, its goal is to fight health fraud and quackery, as I understand it. As for what you call the "100,000 needless death and mistakes,,,,,,,," we have been over that before, and we disagree. Bill Ross
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Following is good stuff from a man who makes a stand. The >public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven >health claims……cures for baldness, obesity, aging, >impotence, cellulite, wrinkles, fatigue, foggy thinking, >stress, all diseases and many afflictions. Thank goodness >there is someone like Barrett who is willing to take on the >quacks and frauds. If only he had the money to take them on >in a more public way. –Bill Ross > The public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven >health claims… >And organized medicine and dentistry endores mercury amalgams to be safe >WITHOUT any scientific proof.
Do you consider their LONG history of usage and low incidence of complications to be inconsequential? Just what percentage of people have ANY problem with their amalgams? There is no scientific evidence that they are NOT highly safe and effective when properly set. There is plenty of evidence of the dangers of trying to remove them. That’s what you need to discourage, the attitude of removing them when there is no demostrable danger of leaving them in place.
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Following is good stuff from a man who makes a stand. The public media seems saturated with all sorts of unproven health claims……cures for baldness, obesity, aging, impotence, cellulite, wrinkles, fatigue, foggy thinking, stress, all diseases and many afflictions. Thank goodness there is someone like Barrett who is willing to take on the quacks and frauds. If only he had the money to take them on in a more public way. –Bill Ross Consumer Health Digest #01-48 Your Weekly Update of News and Reviews November 26, 2001 Current # of subscribers: 3,980 Vitamin cartels heavily fined. The European Commission has fined eight companies a total of 855.22 million euros (about US$755 million) for participating in secret market-sharing and price-fixing cartels affecting vitamin products between September 1989 and February 1999. The Commission’s investigation, which began in May 1999, found that 13 companies participated in eight cartels aimed at eliminating competition in the markets for vitamin A, E, B1, B2, B5, B6, C, D3, biotin, folic acid, beta carotene, and carotenoids. Hoffmann-La Roche and BASF, the two main vitamin producers, participated in virtually every cartel, whereas the rest were involved with fewer products. According to the Commission: "The prime mover and main beneficiary of these schemes was Hoffmann-La Roche, the largest vitamin producer in the world, with some 50% of the overall market. The cartel arrangements covered its full range of vitamin products. The involvement of some of its most senior executives tends to confirm that the arrangements were part of a strategic plan conceived at the highest levels to control the world market in vitamins by illegal means." [European Commission imposes fines on vitamin cartels. News release, Nov 21, 2001]" Commenting on the case, Competition Commissioner Mario Monti stated: "The companies’ collusive behavior enabled them to charge higher prices than if the full forces of competition had been at play, damaging consumers and allowing the companies to pocket illicit profits. It is particularly unacceptable that this illegal behavior concerned substances which are vital elements for nutrition and essential for normal growth and maintenance of life." The fines were imposed as follows: *F. Hoffmann-La Roche AG (Switzerland): 462 million euros *BASF AG (Germany): 296.16 million euros *Takeda Chemical Industries Ltd (Japan): 37.05 million euros *Aventis SA (France): 5.04 million euros *Solvay Pharmaceuticals BV (Netherlands): 9.10 million euros *Merck KgaA (Germany): 9.24 million euros *Daiichi Pharmaceutical Co Ltd (Japan): 23.4 million euros *Eisai Co Ltd (Japan): 13.23 million euros The five remaining companies — Lonza AG (Germany), Kongo Chemical Co Ltd (Japan), Sumitomo Chemical Co Ltd (Japan), Sumika Fine Chemicals Ltd (Japan) and Tanabe Saiyaku Co Ltd (Japan) — were not fined because the cartels in which they were involved ended five years or more before the Commission opened its investigation. The cartels related to B1 and B6 escaped for the same reason. In 1999, three of the companies pleaded guilty in the United States to similar anticompetitive conduct and paid heavy fines (US$500 million for Hoffmann-La Roche, US$225 million for BASF, and US$72 million for Takeda). ### Philip Morris to change name. Philip Morris, which owns one of the world’s most recognizable corporate names, has announced plans to change its name to Altria Group next year if its stockholders approve. [Schwartz S. Philip Morris to change name to Altria. New York Times, Nov 16, 2001] The apparent purpose is to suggest to consumers (and investors) that the company, which owns Kraft Foods and Miller Brewing, has become a good corporate citizen and is not just a cigarette-maker whose best-known product is a leading cause of preventable death and disease. Press reports note that "Altria" is drawn from the Latin word "altus," meaning "high" and is supposed to suggest high performance. Noting this monumental event, SatireWire has announced that lung cancer will change its name to Phillip Morris to gain greater exposure. [Philip Morris to change name to Altria; Lung cancer to change name to Philip Morris: Rebranded disease gains universal negative brand imagery. SatireWire Web site, Nov 20, 2001] http://www.satirewire.com/news/0111/altria.shtml ### FDA warns against Lipokinetix. The U.S. Food and Drug Administraiton has warned consumers not to use Lipokinetix, marketed a "dietary supplement" by Syntrax Innovations, Inc., of Cape Girardeau, Missouri, because the agency has received at least six reports of users who developed liver injury or liver failure. [FDA Warns Consumers Not to Use the Dietary Supplement Lipokinetix. FDA Talk Paper T01-59, Nov 20, 2001] http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/ANSWERS/2001/ANS01120.html The product has been claimed to produce weight loss by "mimicking exercise" and supporting "an increased metabolic rate." Its ingredients include norephedrine (also known as phenylpropanolamine or PPA), caffeine, yohimbine, diiodothyronine, and sodium usniate. The reported problems occurred in persons between 20 and 32 years of age between 2 weeks and 3 months of Lipokinetix use. The FDA also advised physicians to review their cases of hepatitis to determine whether any are related to use of the product. Sale of the product appears to have stopped. ### FDA Web site highly rated. A study released by Brown University’s Taubman Center for Public Policy has rated the FDA’s Web site (http://www.fda.gov) best among the the 59 federal sites it examined. The project evaluated whether needed information was available on sites and if average citizens could easily find this information. Sites were graded on factors such as presence of contact information, availability of online publications, online services provided, and whether the sites included "one-stop shopping" portal pages with links to government services. [West DM. State and Federal E-Government in the United States, Sept. 2001] http://www.insidepolitics.org/egovt01us.html ### Antiquackery book bargain. In "Lying for Fun and Profit," Kurt Butler reveals how talk shows and other media outlets promote quackery without the slightest concern about whether or not they harm their audience. He also describes his many efforts to counter the problem. The book originally marketed for $19.95, is now available from Quackwatch (P.O. Box 1747, Allentown, PA 18105) for $6 plus $3 for postage and handling. ### Consumer Health Digest is a free weekly e-mail newsletter edited by Stephen Barrett, M.D., and cosponsored by NCAHF and Quackwatch. It summarizes scientific reports; legislative developments; enforcement actions; news reports; Web site evaluations; recommended and nonrecommended books; and other information relevant to consumer protection and consumer decision-making. Other issues of the Digest are archived at http://www.ncahf.org/digest/index.html. For information about the National Council Against Health Fraud, see http://www.ncahf.org/about/mission.html. If you enjoy the newsletter, please recommend it to your friends. — - – - – - – - – - – - – - – - Stephen Barrett, M.D. Board Chairman, Quackwatch, Inc. NCAHF Vice President and Director of Internet Operations P.O. Box 1747, Allentown, PA 18105 Telephone: (610) 437-1795
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