evening primrose oil
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>> Second, besides the GLA content, which is presumably the active > ingredient, it also contains linoleic acid, which is an N6 EFA, which > I’ve recently come to believe can aggravate psoriasis. >Finally. Did some little bird chirp you the facts of flax or what?
Been saying that for a while. It was "the seed oil conspiracy" by the coconut guy, who got me twigged to it. > BTW, I’ve recently found that eating a couple of whole eggs per week, > is better at reducing the bleeding, than even EPO. However, it does > not seem to keep my nails clear, but I’ve cut the EPO down to just a > couple of 500mg/capsules per week, and the nails seem OK with that. >Well, if you insist on eating those yolks then buy the >high omega three eggs that are now available. For P’s sakes JR!
It doesn’t seem to flare me, the way you report. J.
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> I read a while back about Evening Primrose oil- > What dosages are effective.. Is there any supporting data to show that it > really works? Does it need Borage Oil for it to be effective? > Basically the normal questions…. > How safe is this treatment?
I take it for diabetic neuropathy, 2,000 mg twice daily. I also take Flaxseed oil along with this. Can’t remember exactly why, but I read somewhere to do this and when I ran this by my Dr., he said this was fine. Seems to be helping with the neuropathy, but doesn’t do a thing for my psoriasis. :( — Type 2 http://www.redshift.com/~juliebove/
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> >I read a while back about Evening Primrose oil- >What dosages are effective.. > I’ve found it helpful at just 500mg/day (one capsule). Others here > have been trying it at 3000mg/day, plus borage oil etc.
Thats right. where are the glowing reports? Didn’t Mike111 also go on Enbrel or something else and that may cloud his tests. 
YOu think? >Is there any supporting data to show that it >really works? > I’ve seen some dubious studies that were mildly optimistic. I’ve > never seen studies that focused on just what I find it good for: (a) > clears nails, (b) reduces minor psoriatic arthritis to about zero, (c) > reduces tendency for psoriasis to bleed by 90%. I’ve gone on and off > EPO enough times, I can see these symptoms/effects turn on and off > clear as day. However, I do not know (a) how many other people it > works for that clearly, or (b) what other nutritional or other factors > contribute to its success or failure (certainly, taking aspririn > cancels benefit (c) for about 48 hours).
It does have some bearings and that hanibasu site had info. I reposted it for DaveW a month or so again. And i really went looking on this one. If i’m not mistaken it may affect CLA and some receptors on the cell membrane. Do a google search on our group only. I know that i’ve talked with some real sharp phd nutritionists and they are murky on this very question. What i know (empirically- what happens to me) is a slow spreading flare unless i toss in some food triggers and i can shoot for a massive flare up. So while i take one tablespoon of Flax seed oil and it has about 20 something percent of omega6 the 40-65% omega 3’s keep them from doing the arachidonic acid>flare up routine. One interesting food that blocks this pathway is bitter mellon. And may be a factor in some oriental longevity studies. >Does it need Borage Oil for it to be effective? > Shouldn’t. >How safe is this treatment? > A lot of herbal/alternative books warn against long term use. Here’s > a couple of thoughts on that. First, I’ve been using it, averaging > one 500mg capsule say, four times a week, for I dunno, five years now? > And I haven’t dropped dead, at least as of the present moment. > Second, besides the GLA content, which is presumably the active > ingredient, it also contains linoleic acid, which is an N6 EFA, which > I’ve recently come to believe can aggravate psoriasis.
Finally. Did some little bird chirp you the facts of flax or what? > BTW, I’ve recently found that eating a couple of whole eggs per week, > is better at reducing the bleeding, than even EPO. However, it does > not seem to keep my nails clear, but I’ve cut the EPO down to just a > couple of 500mg/capsules per week, and the nails seem OK with that.
Well, if you insist on eating those yolks then buy the high omega three eggs that are now available. For P’s sakes JR! And do you want to split a gallon or five of virgin coconut oil? I’m thinking of doing an all coconut oil test this summer. hehe And still haven’t found that free sample on CAPB, yet. Oh Well. randall… The $64,000,000,000 question to me anywhey. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> J.
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>I read a while back about Evening Primrose oil- >What dosages are effective..
I’ve found it helpful at just 500mg/day (one capsule). Others here have been trying it at 3000mg/day, plus borage oil etc. >Is there any supporting data to show that it >really works?
I’ve seen some dubious studies that were mildly optimistic. I’ve never seen studies that focused on just what I find it good for: (a) clears nails, (b) reduces minor psoriatic arthritis to about zero, (c) reduces tendency for psoriasis to bleed by 90%. I’ve gone on and off EPO enough times, I can see these symptoms/effects turn on and off clear as day. However, I do not know (a) how many other people it works for that clearly, or (b) what other nutritional or other factors contribute to its success or failure (certainly, taking aspririn cancels benefit (c) for about 48 hours). >Does it need Borage Oil for it to be effective?
Shouldn’t. >How safe is this treatment?
A lot of herbal/alternative books warn against long term use. Here’s a couple of thoughts on that. First, I’ve been using it, averaging one 500mg capsule say, four times a week, for I dunno, five years now? And I haven’t dropped dead, at least as of the present moment. Second, besides the GLA content, which is presumably the active ingredient, it also contains linoleic acid, which is an N6 EFA, which I’ve recently come to believe can aggravate psoriasis. BTW, I’ve recently found that eating a couple of whole eggs per week, is better at reducing the bleeding, than even EPO. However, it does not seem to keep my nails clear, but I’ve cut the EPO down to just a couple of 500mg/capsules per week, and the nails seem OK with that. J.
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I read a while back about Evening Primrose oil- What dosages are effective.. Is there any supporting data to show that it really works? Does it need Borage Oil for it to be effective? Basically the normal questions…. How safe is this treatment? s
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Has anyone taken this supplement. I’ve read recently that it was found to help significantly people with Psoriasis and Eczema. It contains essential fatty acids that people with suppressed immune systems need. Psoriasis also is related to an immune system disorder. I would like to give it to my 10 year old son but would like to know if there are any side effects.
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Hi JTK. My chiropractor mentioned it to me also and I have been taking it for about 2 months now. My hands seem to have improved greatly and the P in my genital area has completly healed( thank you God!). Other areas however have not improved so dramatically however. It’s hard to say if i’m just in remission in these areas, or there actually is a correlation with the evening primrose. I will continue to take it though. There do not seem to be any side effects whatsover, but I would still check with an authority to make sure before you give it to your son. I believe evening primrose is use by many women to combat the effects associated with menopause.Good luck! -Lou Lamy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Has anyone taken this supplement. I’ve read recently that it was found > to help significantly people with Psoriasis and Eczema. It contains > essential fatty acids that people with suppressed immune systems need. > Psoriasis also is related to an immune system disorder. I would like to > give it to my 10 year old son but would like to know if there are any > side effects.
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> Has anyone taken this supplement. I’ve read recently that it was found > to help significantly people with Psoriasis and Eczema. It contains > essential fatty acids that people with suppressed immune systems need. > Psoriasis also is related to an immune system disorder. I would like to > give it to my 10 year old son but would like to know if there are any > side effects.
Mine’s improved greatly and I’ve only been taking EP for a month. I’ve never heard of any side effects before. Hazel
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>Has anyone taken this supplement. … >I would like to give it to my 10 year old son but would like >to know if there are any side effects.
I am a huge fan of evening primrose oil for p, after learning about it on this group a couple of years ago. It helps reduce symptoms, and seems to completely clear up fingernail problems for me and some others on this group. Sad that it is not so magically good for the rest of the body. But, it helps (for me) reduce by 90% the bleeding from p that is scratched (or not scratched). Now, for a ten year old? I always hesitate to say anything at all about what to give kids. I do not know of any side effects, but a lot of literature that mentions it (and a lot of literature does mention it, for p and for other nutritional/medical reasons) warns about taking it for a long time, or if pregnant. Well, my personal situation on that latter one is no problem, and I have been taking it now for several years (500mg/day on the average), and I’m still standing. I *suspect* it has some slight mood-elevating effect, which may or may not be related to its nutritional effects. It *may* have other ingredients, perhaps phytoestrogens, which would probably not be good for a ten year old. OTOH, so do soybeans and yams, and nobody tries to keep kids away from them. I realize that your odds of getting professional, informed medical advice on the pediatric use of primrose oil is about zilch. I think that 500mg/day is worth a try, and is about as safe as anything can be, though in no way can I guarantee it. Sorry to hear any kid going thru this, give him my best wishes, which I am certain have no dark side effects! J.
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Thanks for your reply and kind thoughts. I think I will give it to him if only for a short time to see if it helps. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Has anyone taken this supplement. > … >I would like to give it to my 10 year old son but would like >to know if there are any side effects. > I am a huge fan of evening primrose oil for p, after learning about it > on this group a couple of years ago. It helps reduce symptoms, and > seems to completely clear up fingernail problems for me and some > others on this group. Sad that it is not so magically good for the > rest of the body. But, it helps (for me) reduce by 90% the bleeding > from p that is scratched (or not scratched). > Now, for a ten year old? I always hesitate to say anything at all > about what to give kids. I do not know of any side effects, but a lot > of literature that mentions it (and a lot of literature does mention > it, for p and for other nutritional/medical reasons) warns about > taking it for a long time, or if pregnant. Well, my personal > situation on that latter one is no problem, and I have been taking it > now for several years (500mg/day on the average), and I’m still > standing. I *suspect* it has some slight mood-elevating effect, which > may or may not be related to its nutritional effects. It *may* have > other ingredients, perhaps phytoestrogens, which would probably not be > good for a ten year old. OTOH, so do soybeans and yams, and nobody > tries to keep kids away from them. > I realize that your odds of getting professional, informed medical > advice on the pediatric use of primrose oil is about zilch. I think > that 500mg/day is worth a try, and is about as safe as anything can > be, though in no way can I guarantee it. > Sorry to hear any kid going thru this, give him my best wishes, which > I am certain have no dark side effects! > J.
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Roland, I couldn’t mail you direct (cannot append to /var/mail/roland – disk space??) so I’ve replied here … I’ve been asking the same question recently, and found some useful resources on the net. Check out the alt.med.cfs newsgroup, and the FAQ that appears there. More specifically I found the following articles referring to evening primrose oil and have started taking 8 Efamol Marine a day. Been at it 2 weeks now, and cannot really tell whether it’s working, but 3 weeks at least are necessary so I’m told. Efamol Marine may be a brand-name in the UK, but one of the articles refers (I think) to the equivalent in Canada. I would be really pleased if you could tell me if you have any success with this! Anyway, here are the articles… CFSEFA.BEHAN.ABSTRACT This file was copied from the USA CFIDS/CFS BBS in Augusta, Maine USA, the most comprehensive source of CFS information in electronic form. The BBS can be reached at telephone 1-207-623-8486 and is operated by John Kossowan, D.D.S. EFA-B&B.TXT "Essential Fatty Acids in the Treatment of Postviral Fatigue syndrome" Peter O.Behan and Wilhelmina M.H. Behan Departments of Neurology and Pathology, Glasgow University Glasgow G12, Scotland . . . . . Abstract Viral infections lower plasma levels of essential fatty acids (EFAs) and inhibit 6-desaturation of dietary EFAs. EFAs have ANTIVIRAL effects. For these reasons a double blind , placebo-conbtrolled trial of gamma-linolenic acid and eicosapentaenoic acid (6-desaturated EFAs of the n-6 and n-3 series, respectively) was set up in 70 patients with persistent postviral fatigue syndrome. After 6 months 84% of patients in the active group but only 22 % of those in the placebo group rated themselves as better or much better (P<0.0001). Patients on active treatment also recorded significantly fewer episodes of cardiac palpitations as compared with those on placebo. It is concluded that EFA supplementation of value in patients with the postviral fatigue syndrome. . . . . . INTRODUCTION Postviral fatigue syndrome (PFS), or epidemic myalgic encephalomyelitis (EME), also known as epidemic neuromyasthenia, has attracted increasing attention during the last 10 years, leading to a clearer definition of its clinical and laboratory features, and general agreement that its distinguishing characteristic is severe muscle fatiguability made worse by stress [1]. Its clinical and laboratory features have been well described, and a variety of viruses has been implicated in its aetiology, including persistent enterovirus [2] , and Epstein-Barr virus [3] (using nucleic acid hybridization studies). Three features of the disease suggested that essential fatty acids (EFAs) might be helpful in treatment, namely, the viral association, the similarity between its clinical features and those of carnitine deficiency [4], and the frequent occurrence of cardiac symptoms [1]. Linoleic acid and alpha-linoleic (ALA) are the main dietary essential fatty acids, but they have to be 6-desaturated to carry out many of the functions they perform in the body. Linoleic acid is desaturated to gamma-linoleic acid (GLA) and then to other metabolites, while ALA is converted to short-lived intermediates and then to ecicosapentaenoic acid (EPA). Some of these metabolites, including GLA, have been shown to hvae potent antiviral effects [5,6]. In vitro, virally infected cells exhibit reduced 6-deaturation, thus reducing metabolite formation [7]. It has been suggested, therefore, that direct administration of 6-desaturated EFAs might bypass the stage of inhibition, replace the missing compounds, and thus produce an antiviral effect. MATERIALS AND METHODS A randomized double-blind placebo-controlled study of GLA and EPA in PFS was done. The compounds were given in the form of Efamol Marine, a mixture of evening primrose oil and fish oil containing about 35 mg of GLA and 17 mg of EPA per capsule. Four capsules were given each morning and evening. – - – - – Because of exhaustion, the Sysop decided to stop here – - – - – - If you want the entire article, you can find it in a medical school library. Thanks for your understanding. John Kossowan, system operator CFSEFAMOL This file was copied from the USA CFIDS/CFS BBS in Augusta, Maine USA, the most comprehensive source of CFS information in electronic form. The BBS can be reached at telephone 1-207-623-8486 and is operated by John Kossowan, D.D.S. JULY 27 , 1991 EFAMOLTX.TXT The Primrose Oil treatment for CFIDS patients PLEASE ALSO READ THE FILE "EFA-B&B.TXT", THE ABSTRACT MED ARTICLE BY DR.BEHAN, ON THIS TREATMENT. VERY IMPORTANT. This treatment is given and recommended by Dr.Byron Hyde, a well known and respected CFIDS/CFS/ME expert in Canada. His office phone number is , in Ottawa, Ontario : 613-729-8995 This treatment for CFIDS/CFS/ME patients was discovered by world renown CFIDS/CFS/ME researcher of Glasgo, Scotland, Dr.Behan. Dr.Behan has lectured around the world on his work. He is one of the best funded researchers now working on this disease. Now for the guidelines : "Things to Remember" (also seen in the bulletin section at Bulletin # 94) FIRST: THE ONLY BRAND OF PRIMROSE OIL TO TAKE IS "NATURE’S WAY" AT YOUR LOCAL HEALTH FOOD STORE. EFAMOL – should be taken with food – preferably low fat food DO NOT – take EFAMOL at bedtime – You will find yourself up and not able to sleep. WOMEN : You must go through one month and a menstruation cycle before you will begin to feel anything happening. MEN : You should start to feel more energy approximately at the 3 week point. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THESE ARE GUILDELINES ONLY. SOME PEOPLE TAKE LONGER. DOSAGE : The recommended minimum dosage is : 8 EFAMOL a day and 2 COD LIVER OIL. Note : Please check the label on the cod lover oil. THE CONTENT SHOULD BE : VITAMIN A – 1250 I.U. AND VITAMIN D – 100 I.U. DO NOT SUBSTITUTE COD LIVER OIL WITH HALIBUT OIL HOW AND WHEN : 4 in the morning – 1 cod liver oil >>>> E.P.A. IS BETTER THAN THE COD LIVER OIL,SOME SAY 4 in the evening – 1 cod liver oil Some people initially experience cramps and loose stools. If this happens : Start off with 2 EFAMOL in the morning 2 EFAMOL in the evening ( 1 cod liver oil) 3 days later, build up to 3 EFAMOL in the morning 3 EFAMOL in the evening ( 1 cod liver oil) 3 days later, 4 EFAMOL in the morning – 1 cod liver oil 4 EFAMOL in the evening – 1 cod liver oil . . . . . . . . . . . . . PLEASE REMEMBER !!!! . . . . . . . . . . . EFAMOL IS NOT A CURE !! EFAMOL IS NOT A CURE !! EFAMOL IS NOT A CURE !! HOWEVER, IT HAS BEEN DOUBLE-BLIND RESEARCH STUDY, PUBLISHED (BEHAN) SPECIFIC TO THE DISEASE ACALLED CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME, ALSO CALLED M.E., OR MYALGIC ENCEPHALOMYELITIS. – END OF DOCUMENT — Good luck! — Paul Mitchell Telephone (UK) 091 216 0202 x2713 Engineering Research Station Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK <A HREF="http://www.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?psm.html">Dial my number</A> —- The views expressed here are highly unlikely to be those of British Gas —
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I saw a tv report a couple of weeks ago on chronic fatigue syndrome, and it was mentioned that evening primrose oil was a treatment for the SYMPTOMS but NOT a cure (something to do with the essential fatty acids). Supposedly there was a double-blind study at a hospital in Scotland. Does anyone have any information/experiences about this, in particular what the recommended does might be, etc Thanks in advance, Roland
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Roland, I couldn’t mail you direct (cannot append to /var/mail/roland – disk space??) so I’ve replied here … I’ve been asking the same question recently, and found some useful resources on the net. Check out the alt.med.cfs newsgroup, and the FAQ that appears there. More specifically I found the following articles referring to evening primrose oil and have started taking 8 Efamol Marine a day. Been at it 2 weeks now, and cannot really tell whether it’s working, but 3 weeks at least are necessary so I’m told. Efamol Marine may be a brand-name in the UK, but one of the articles refers (I think) to the equivalent in Canada. I would be really pleased if you could tell me if you have any success with this! Anyway, here are the articles… CFSEFA.BEHAN.ABSTRACT This file was copied from the USA CFIDS/CFS BBS in Augusta, Maine USA, the most comprehensive source of CFS information in electronic form. The BBS can be reached at telephone 1-207-623-8486 and is operated by John Kossowan, D.D.S. EFA-B&B.TXT "Essential Fatty Acids in the Treatment of Postviral Fatigue syndrome" Peter O.Behan and Wilhelmina M.H. Behan Departments of Neurology and Pathology, Glasgow University Glasgow G12, Scotland . . . . . Abstract Viral infections lower plasma levels of essential fatty acids (EFAs) and inhibit 6-desaturation of dietary EFAs. EFAs have ANTIVIRAL effects. For these reasons a double blind , placebo-conbtrolled trial of gamma-linolenic acid and eicosapentaenoic acid (6-desaturated EFAs of the n-6 and n-3 series, respectively) was set up in 70 patients with persistent postviral fatigue syndrome. After 6 months 84% of patients in the active group but only 22 % of those in the placebo group rated themselves as better or much better (P<0.0001). Patients on active treatment also recorded significantly fewer episodes of cardiac palpitations as compared with those on placebo. It is concluded that EFA supplementation of value in patients with the postviral fatigue syndrome. . . . . . INTRODUCTION Postviral fatigue syndrome (PFS), or epidemic myalgic encephalomyelitis (EME), also known as epidemic neuromyasthenia, has attracted increasing attention during the last 10 years, leading to a clearer definition of its clinical and laboratory features, and general agreement that its distinguishing characteristic is severe muscle fatiguability made worse by stress [1]. Its clinical and laboratory features have been well described, and a variety of viruses has been implicated in its aetiology, including persistent enterovirus [2] , and Epstein-Barr virus [3] (using nucleic acid hybridization studies). Three features of the disease suggested that essential fatty acids (EFAs) might be helpful in treatment, namely, the viral association, the similarity between its clinical features and those of carnitine deficiency [4], and the frequent occurrence of cardiac symptoms [1]. Linoleic acid and alpha-linoleic (ALA) are the main dietary essential fatty acids, but they have to be 6-desaturated to carry out many of the functions they perform in the body. Linoleic acid is desaturated to gamma-linoleic acid (GLA) and then to other metabolites, while ALA is converted to short-lived intermediates and then to ecicosapentaenoic acid (EPA). Some of these metabolites, including GLA, have been shown to hvae potent antiviral effects [5,6]. In vitro, virally infected cells exhibit reduced 6-deaturation, thus reducing metabolite formation [7]. It has been suggested, therefore, that direct administration of 6-desaturated EFAs might bypass the stage of inhibition, replace the missing compounds, and thus produce an antiviral effect. MATERIALS AND METHODS A randomized double-blind placebo-controlled study of GLA and EPA in PFS was done. The compounds were given in the form of Efamol Marine, a mixture of evening primrose oil and fish oil containing about 35 mg of GLA and 17 mg of EPA per capsule. Four capsules were given each morning and evening. – - – - – Because of exhaustion, the Sysop decided to stop here – - – - – - If you want the entire article, you can find it in a medical school library. Thanks for your understanding. John Kossowan, system operator CFSEFAMOL This file was copied from the USA CFIDS/CFS BBS in Augusta, Maine USA, the most comprehensive source of CFS information in electronic form. The BBS can be reached at telephone 1-207-623-8486 and is operated by John Kossowan, D.D.S. JULY 27 , 1991 EFAMOLTX.TXT The Primrose Oil treatment for CFIDS patients PLEASE ALSO READ THE FILE "EFA-B&B.TXT", THE ABSTRACT MED ARTICLE BY DR.BEHAN, ON THIS TREATMENT. VERY IMPORTANT. This treatment is given and recommended by Dr.Byron Hyde, a well known and respected CFIDS/CFS/ME expert in Canada. His office phone number is , in Ottawa, Ontario : 613-729-8995 This treatment for CFIDS/CFS/ME patients was discovered by world renown CFIDS/CFS/ME researcher of Glasgo, Scotland, Dr.Behan. Dr.Behan has lectured around the world on his work. He is one of the best funded researchers now working on this disease. Now for the guidelines : "Things to Remember" (also seen in the bulletin section at Bulletin # 94) FIRST: THE ONLY BRAND OF PRIMROSE OIL TO TAKE IS "NATURE’S WAY" AT YOUR LOCAL HEALTH FOOD STORE. EFAMOL – should be taken with food – preferably low fat food DO NOT – take EFAMOL at bedtime – You will find yourself up and not able to sleep. WOMEN : You must go through one month and a menstruation cycle before you will begin to feel anything happening. MEN : You should start to feel more energy approximately at the 3 week point. PLEASE REMEMBER THAT THESE ARE GUILDELINES ONLY. SOME PEOPLE TAKE LONGER. DOSAGE : The recommended minimum dosage is : 8 EFAMOL a day and 2 COD LIVER OIL. Note : Please check the label on the cod lover oil. THE CONTENT SHOULD BE : VITAMIN A – 1250 I.U. AND VITAMIN D – 100 I.U. DO NOT SUBSTITUTE COD LIVER OIL WITH HALIBUT OIL HOW AND WHEN : 4 in the morning – 1 cod liver oil >>>> E.P.A. IS BETTER THAN THE COD LIVER OIL,SOME SAY 4 in the evening – 1 cod liver oil Some people initially experience cramps and loose stools. If this happens : Start off with 2 EFAMOL in the morning 2 EFAMOL in the evening ( 1 cod liver oil) 3 days later, build up to 3 EFAMOL in the morning 3 EFAMOL in the evening ( 1 cod liver oil) 3 days later, 4 EFAMOL in the morning – 1 cod liver oil 4 EFAMOL in the evening – 1 cod liver oil . . . . . . . . . . . . . PLEASE REMEMBER !!!! . . . . . . . . . . . EFAMOL IS NOT A CURE !! EFAMOL IS NOT A CURE !! EFAMOL IS NOT A CURE !! HOWEVER, IT HAS BEEN DOUBLE-BLIND RESEARCH STUDY, PUBLISHED (BEHAN) SPECIFIC TO THE DISEASE ACALLED CHRONIC FATIGUE SYNDROME, ALSO CALLED M.E., OR MYALGIC ENCEPHALOMYELITIS. – END OF DOCUMENT — Good luck! — Paul Mitchell Telephone (UK) 091 216 0202 x2713 Engineering Research Station Newcastle Upon Tyne, UK <A HREF="http://www.mps.ohio-state.edu/cgi-bin/hpp?psm.html">Dial my number</A> —- The views expressed here are highly unlikely to be those of British Gas —
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I saw a tv report a couple of weeks ago on chronic fatigue syndrome, and it was mentioned that evening primrose oil was a treatment for the SYMPTOMS but NOT a cure (something to do with the essential fatty acids). Supposedly there was a double-blind study at a hospital in Scotland. Does anyone have any information/experiences about this, in particular what the recommended does might be, etc Thanks in advance, Roland
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